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Have there been any shooters with IR (wiimote) support that had a similar camera perspective, because I can only imagine it feeling quite strange?



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superchunk said:

I just don't get it. Splatoon is a very fun game and its multiplayer modes are insanely fun.

But once again, Nintendo decides to tweak controls to the point that it greatly degrades the acceptance and fun of the game.

There is NO damn reason we should be aiming based on motion. You have dual analog that is the standard for shooting games... USE THAT!!!!

There is NO damn reason we should not be able to use a wiimote+nunchuk!!!

There is NO damn reason local multiplayer should be limited to 1v1. This mode should allow 4v local OR 4 local vs 4 online.

Nintendo, why can't you get this right? Why do you insist on ignoring well loved gaming mechanics proven by other games for decades now? This game could easily be something that sells more than MK or SSB. But you gimp the multiplayer modes and force an akward aiming scheme.

I love the game and will be putting in many more hours. Hopefully you learn with the sequel.

4v4 online
4local v 4 online
4local

What was the last game that you played that offered 4 player local multiplayer? For F* sakes, I think it was Perfect Dark lol. JK. But still WTF. 

If you like it quit bitching and enjoy. 



Gotta figure out how to set these up lol.

sundin13 said:
Have there been any shooters with IR (wiimote) support that had a similar camera perspective, because I can only imagine it feeling quite strange?

Metroid Blast in Nintendoland, works a charm. :)



I prefer the motion control. It allows for more nuanced aiming that you just don't get with dual analog. On top of that, even with motion controls you use the second analog stick to adjust your aim. It is the better control method. You just need to take 5 minutes to adapt to it, rather than insisting on the same damn control scheme you've used for the last 15 years just because you're more used to it.

Lack of voice chat isn't really that big of a deal, because the game is built around communicating through other means. The reason why local multiplayer options are so limited is because the map on the touchscreen is so critical to this communication. On this big, detail map you get all the information you need. Who's doing what, what areas need to get covered, what areas are being compromised, and who's on the front lines. On top of that, you also need the map to choose where to jump on the map from the spawn point, and it also offers a quick way to jump back TO the spawn point from anywhere on the map.

Local multiplayer wouldn't work because of how critical the game pad is to the experience. Without it, everything would be significantly clunkier, especially map access and usage. Being able to instantly jump to other parts of the map is critical to strategy. Even with just two people, it'd be clunky because you each would need to access the map first, and then the person without the game pad would need to select a player to jump to with the analog stick. It could still work, just not as well. But then when we start talking about 4 player splitscreen? Or hell, 8, which is what the TRUE Splatoon experience requires? You're going to start having headaches.


Splatoon was built from the ground up to work with two screens, and that's how it needs to be played outside of a very specific offline mode that was probably only tacked on because Nintendo still has a soft spot for offline multiplayer. You NEED the game pad for this game. So I'm sorry, but these options don't exist for a very good reason: they just wouldn't work very well. And this is coming from someone who loved the Wii remote as a shooter controller.
The only thing Splatoon needs right now is content, and that's coming slowly. You need to not think of this as Halo or Call of Duty or even Gears of War, because it is not built like nor does it play like any of those games, and it wouldn't be as good as it is if it tried to emulate them.

The only issue I kind of understand is voice chat. But after playing this game online for the first time over the last few days, I realized why it would be such a bad idea: not only are the game's servers international, but they are also populated by a LOT of kids. Would voice chat really help you communicate with Japanese players? Do you REALLY want kids yelling into your headset? This is why I always mute the handful of people who ever use the voice chat feature in Halo games. The off chance that someone might say something useful is never worth the annoyance that almost always comes from a talkative player. So few people use voice chat in those games that everyone tends to resort to bullets and horn honks for communication, haha. Great thing about Splatoon is that it's at least built around not having it.



Dusk said:

What was the last game that you played that offered 4 player local multiplayer? For F* sakes, I think it was Perfect Dark lol. JK. But still WTF. 

If you like it quit bitching and enjoy. 

MK8 was last I played. However there are quite a few others. Just because shooter games have largely moved to online only models in terms of cooperative play, doesn't mean it is how Nintendo should have created their solution. Nintendo generally offers excellent local multiplayer and is just now filling out quality online offerings.

But I can tell you're the type of person who just settles with 'good enough'. Enjoy your mediocrity.



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I'm happy with no online chat, I think it would ruin the game to have people yelling at each other.

Maaaaybe they can add in local 2 player and Wiimote support though through a future patch.



mouse is a motion control, and is still the prefered option for shooters(on PC, of course)
But all other complains are legitimate.

AI bots to complete the 4x4 local multiplayer would be nice. You should 'program' them, choose your team. You could even use amiibos to level up them, like in smash.

wiimote+nunchuck should be a must too.

i hope they increase the content of the game with these options.



superchunk said:
Dusk said:

What was the last game that you played that offered 4 player local multiplayer? For F* sakes, I think it was Perfect Dark lol. JK. But still WTF. 

If you like it quit bitching and enjoy. 

MK8 was last I played. However there are quite a few others. Just because shooter games have largely moved to online only models in terms of cooperative play, doesn't mean it is how Nintendo should have created their solution. Nintendo generally offers excellent local multiplayer and is just now filling out quality online offerings.

But I can tell you're the type of person who just settles with 'good enough'. Enjoy your mediocracy.

My mistake, I suppose I should have specified "shooter" since that is indeed the genre of game that splatoon is. Same question, but refined to shooter. 

As far as other genre's, yeah there are lots. I do think that with the shooter genre it can easily be done, but since so much of them are online now and there is the constant push for better graphics it does make it harder for it to really be achievable. Although, I really do miss the days of goldeneye and PD. 

Don't let my mediocrity stand in your way though. Man, the shit that people say online baffles me. 



Gotta figure out how to set these up lol.

superchunk said:
MK8 was last I played. However there are quite a few others. Just because shooter games have largely moved to online only models in terms of cooperative play, doesn't mean it is how Nintendo should have created their solution. Nintendo generally offers excellent local multiplayer and is just now filling out quality online offerings.

But I can tell you're the type of person who just settles with 'good enough'. Enjoy your mediocracy.

That's...not a word.



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yeah I would have loved a 2v2 local mp. I'm ok with there not being a 4 online v 4 but damn that would have been awesome!

My sister saw me playing and thought it looked really fun and wondered if there was a 4p mode :/. damn I wish there was a 4p local

hopefully they will do a DLC in the future and honestly I don't care if it costs extra



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