Ka-pi96 said:
That's only $50-$100 cheaper. Not a huge amount of difference and considering the actual Shield hasn't exactly set the world alight either... Yeah, no doubt it would have done better like that, but beat the PS4? I still don't see it being possible with just that. |
Probably not lifetime as this device would need a faster update as the ARM devices are evolving faster. But with a real strong and unique software lineup and half price, I can see it outselling ps4 the first few years.
Carl2291 said:
DmC 12 "big" games released on PS3 and 360 within the first 5 Months of 2013. June had the Skyrim rerelease that you spoke of, that also missed Wii U. The power argument is a poor argument to have, when the Wii U was the most powerful piece of console hardware available to developers for a long period of time. The main Wii U problem is down to a) the unappealing, gimmicky controller and b) a lack of faith in the platform itself from developers and publishers. |
2012 was to late. The multiplats doesnt had any difference between xbox 360, ps3 and wii u. Everybidy who cared about the multiplats got an ps3 or 360 or pc already. So there were 0 arguments on playing this games on the wii u.
If the wii u would be much more powerfull, the games would be superior on the wii u compared to the 360/ps3 clones. There would be a reason to get the system to play these games in way better graphics. But why should i get a system to play games with same graphics i can do scince 5 years on my ps3?
Because of the weak hardware the wii u was scince launch only a console for nintendo first party titles.
No, Nintendo couldn't win a generation because the console just wouldn't appeal to casuals. Nintendo needs some sort of fad to help it win.
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| JNK said: 2012 was to late. The multiplats doesnt had any difference between xbox 360, ps3 and wii u. Everybidy who cared about the multiplats got an ps3 or 360 or pc already. So there were 0 arguments on playing this games on the wii u. If the wii u would be much more powerfull, the games would be superior on the wii u compared to the 360/ps3 clones. There would be a reason to get the system to play these games in way better graphics. But why should i get a system to play games with same graphics i can do scince 5 years on my ps3? Because of the weak hardware the wii u was scince launch only a console for nintendo first party titles. |
You need to look at where those games were before Gen 8. Where people had been playing those franchises for X number of years and where they will want to go in the future.
Why would Joe Bloggs give up his X Years of PSN/XBL to jump ship to Nintendo, when the next PS/Xbox will keep his profile, friends and trophies/achievements? You also need to look at the effort put into advertisement campaigns. Sony and Microsoft actively fight over who advertises the biggest games releasing. While these franchises consistently sell Millions of units on PlayStation and Xbox, why would Publishers risk soiling those partnerships by dropping them for Nintendo, where the sales arent guaranteed?
Really the problem isnt power, power is just one small portion of a far bigger picture.
It wasn't just about the power.
Since Nintendo had to prove themselves once again to a certain market, launching at the same time with =/> specs to the competition wouldn't have mattered. What Nintendo needed to do, was copy the 360, and take advantage of the year head start as the lone, true next gen console. This way it has a chance of "stealing" PS360 fans (the not so hardcore but need 3rd party fix) that were tired of the extra long generation.
If Nintendo released Wii U or Wii 2 with XB1 level specs (maybe gamepad sold separate like Wii fit, give it a chance to become popular not forced) it would have done FAR FAR better. It definitely would have bit into PS4/XB1 sales. PS4 would be closer to 15 mil sold and XB1 sub 10. Nintendo at the very least, would have around 17 mil.
Well, as others have stated, that's not a prediction, as you're pretty much looking at a "what if" scenario, and not something that could happen if the future.
Anyways, no, power alone wouldn't have fixed the problem.
Other things such as terrible marketing, lack of 3rd party support, and a tablet controller that Nintendo didn't bother doing much with are factors that didn't help the Wii U as well.
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Carl2291 said:
Why would Joe Bloggs give up his X Years of PSN/XBL to jump ship to Nintendo, when the next PS/Xbox will keep his profile, friends and trophies/achievements? You also need to look at the effort put into advertisement campaigns. Sony and Microsoft actively fight over who advertises the biggest games releasing. While these franchises consistently sell Millions of units on PlayStation and Xbox, why would Publishers risk soiling those partnerships by dropping them for Nintendo, where the sales arent guaranteed? Really the problem isnt power, power is just one small portion of a far bigger picture. |
well many people switched from xbox 360 (xbox live) to ps4 (playstation network).
JNK said:
If the wii u would be much more powerfull, the games would be superior on the wii u compared to the 360/ps3 clones. There would be a reason to get the system to play these games in way better graphics. But why should i get a system to play games with same graphics i can do scince 5 years on my ps3? Because of the weak hardware the wii u was scince launch only a console for nintendo first party titles. |
Do you know that PS4 is the first console to be the stronger and best selling??? In console space power almost never had anything to do with the success of the console.
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Carl2291 said:
Why would Joe Bloggs give up his X Years of PSN/XBL to jump ship to Nintendo, when the next PS/Xbox will keep his profile, friends and trophies/achievements? You also need to look at the effort put into advertisement campaigns. Sony and Microsoft actively fight over who advertises the biggest games releasing. While these franchises consistently sell Millions of units on PlayStation and Xbox, why would Publishers risk soiling those partnerships by dropping them for Nintendo, where the sales arent guaranteed? Really the problem isnt power, power is just one small portion of a far bigger picture. |
Yep I agree with u, people need a strong reason to jump ship from one platform to another. Microsoft stole a lot of Sony's audience with Xbox 360, not necessarily because 360 did the right things but because PS3 did the wrong things. Same goes for PS4 taking back a large chunk of that audience due to Microsoft making some large early blunders with Xbox One. Even if we go back further we can see that the original Playstation stole a lot of Nintendo & Sega's due to them both making some large mistakes.
Basically the way I see it, just making a powerful multimedia box isn't going to do a whole lot for Nintendo unless both Microsoft & Sony make big mistakes that cause the core audience and 3rd parties to look elsewhere and if ur strategy can only work if the competitors mess up than its probably not a very wise strategy to make.
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