I grew up without religion and don't believe in things that can't be proven.
I grew up without religion and don't believe in things that can't be proven.
mornelithe said:
I actually provided substance to the OP's question, you've done nothing of the sort (If that response confuses you, try reading back further). Again, please stay on topic. |
the topic is on atheism and i'm giving another perspective on atheism
whether my perspective is irrelevent or not is subjective i personally believe that it is in indeed relevent
or in other words "you've done nothing of the sort" i disagree
ironically while my post was actually on the topic of atheism your post was simply an attempt at assuming the role of a mod
o_O.Q said:
yes there is no overt intentional demonstration of worship of a god but the fact remains that these are all symbols associated with god's of antiquity and atheists blindly adopt them and partake in various rituals without really trying to understand what the origins of these things are then amusingly to me they bash theists for the same thing for blindly following without analysing how many atheists for example question why we exchange rings during marriage as opposed to just blindly following the practice? for the most part none because they have not been told to question the practice atheist just like theists have been lead |
So if you played the game Okami does that mean you "unintenionally" or "implicitly?" worship Amaterasu? Because I read The Chronicles of Narnia when I was a kid and enjoyed them despite the Christian messaging I must be a Christian implicitly?
Buying a car with the name Mazda or Saturn implying implicit theism is a silly concept. For starters I don't think the people at Toyota coined Mazda because they are Zoroastrians. Engangement rings originated in Rome (arguably even the Egyptians) and seemed to have a non-religious, but philosophical connotation. I don't see why only religious people can follow the tradition.
But that is all besides the point, following traditions out of social convention and worshipping a deity let alone accepting the existance of one are two entirely different things and I really don't see the connection here.
o_O.Q said:
whether my perspective is irrelevent or not is subjective i personally believe that it is in indeed relevent or in other words "you've done nothing of the sort" i disagree
ironically while my post was actually on the topic of atheism your post was simply an attempt at assuming the role of a mod |
Not really, I'm just suggesting you stick to what the OP was looking for, rather than clearly trying to bait people into a derailing of the thread. But hey, do what you want.
sc94597 said:
So if you played the game Okami does that mean you "unintenionally" or "implicitly?" worship Amaterasu? Because I read The Chronicles of Narnia when I was a kid and enjoyed them despite the Christian messaging I must be a Christian implicitly? Buying a car with the name Mazda or Saturn implying implicit theism is a silly concept. For starters I don't think the people at Toyota coined Mazda because they are Zoroastrians. Engangement rings originated in Rome (arguably even the Egyptians) and seemed to have a non-religious, but philosophical connotation. I don't see why only religious people can follow the tradition. But that is all besides the point, following traditions out of social convention and worshipping a deity let alone accepting the existance of one are two entirely different things and I really don't see the connection here. |
"Buying a car with the name Mazda or Saturn implying implicit theism is a silly concept"
well that is your opinion
if i carried a t shirt bearing the flag of america around in britain people would get the idea that i am american or that i am supportive of america
sure the point could be made that yes america is a widely acknowledged country whereas most people today even though they adopt the symbols in almost everything they do don't know about mazda for example
and that's my point people blindly do these things without bothering to understand and that is the main criticism of theists so to me it just comes off as hypocritical
" Engangement rings originated in Rome " no
"and seemed to have a non-religious, but philosophical connotation. " well it does indeed have a religious origin as all of these symbols do most if not all of the old philosophers were theists
"following traditions out of social convention and worshipping a deity let alone accepting the existance of one are two entirely different things"
yes i conceded that it would be ridiculous to equate the two
but you have to agree that "following traditions out of social convention" is "irrational" according to atheists and one of the main criticisms they level at theists
o_O.Q said:
"Buying a car with the name Mazda or Saturn implying implicit theism is a silly concept"
well that is your opinion if i carried a t shirt bearing the flag of america around in britain people would get the idea that i am american or that i am supportive of america sure the point could be made that yes america is a widely acknowledged country whereas most people today even though they adopt the symbols in almost everything they do don't know about mazda for example |
Believe it or not, despite being an athiest - religions and myths have interested me since I was young. I've consumed plenty of content and items that involves religious figures. If we go by this logic, I am a gnostic, christian, muslim, shamanist, shintoist, jew, buddhist, odinist, and satanist all at once, as I've written (unpublished) short stories involving all of these religions or concepts common to all of these religions.
sc94597 said:
Believe it or not, despite being an athiest - religions and myths have interested me since I was young. I've consumed plenty of content and items that involves religious figures. If we go by this logic, I am a gnostic, christian, muslim, shamanist, shintoist, jew, buddhist, odinist, and satanist all at once, as I've written (unpublished) short stories involving all of these religions or concepts common to all of these religions. |
do you still present symbols of those ideaologies to this day? or did you explore them for a while and leave them behind?
Hiku said: There's quite a monumental difference in questioning something that greatly affects the course of which your life takes, and the brand name of a car... |
well depending on what you are willing to believe it obviously goes beyond what we have on cars
why do we call the first day of the week SUNday for example and why do we call the last SATURNday? why do we call the end of the day sunSET?
who put all of these traditions in place? and could it be possible that they are still setting the newer traditions that we are beginning to adopt today?
in my opinion yes that is exactly what is happening and the evidence is all there for anyone to explore
anyway that's besides the point my point was that the main criticism of theism is the irrationality of following traditions that were handed down to you
people claim they want to "progress" beyond the past and that's why we have to criticise people who uhgold these retarded archaic theisms
these same people as i'm saying do not acknowledge their own guilt in this regard
there is nothing new under the sun as some people say... in many ways this is right
JWeinCom said: It's pretty simple. I have not seen any compelling evidence to believe in a deity. The idea of a deistic god (one who created the universe but does not intervene) is unlikely, but possible. The idea of a theistic god (one that does intervene) I find highly unlikely. The idea of of a personal god (one that is interested in human affairs) is something I am nearly positive does not exist. As for any god that has thus far been proposed by man (yaweh, allah, jesus, zeus, appolo, krishna, brahma etc.) I am as close to 100% sure they do not exist as possible (although in fairness I haven't been exposed to every single god). I would like to correct your opening statement. I did not choose to be an atheist, any more than I chose to believe in a heliocentric solar system. It is not a choice, but an interpretation of the available evidence. It's not a choice to believe in anything. It's a matter of how your mind processes the data. And if people would like to quote me and tell me I'm wrong, they may do so (it's fine by me, but I can't speak for the OP and mods). I'm pretty comfortable in my stance, and if anyone can actually prove a deity to me with evidence, I would welcome that. |
I want to quote you to say that your answers cover my thoughts. Thanks for saving me from the work to type it myself.
Morality is the best stuff because religion loses that in the form of wars and intolerance.