Oh ok, thanks for clearing it up a bit for me!

Considering Cameron hasn't even won the elections very small, even if he does actually unless the EU is going to pull of crazy stunts on UK and limiting it's grow by giving fines like they did last year. Uncertainty and the need of safety will make sure the UK will not leave the EU as Scotland didn't leave the UK. There are some parties screaming that the UK should leave while majority doesn't want to take the risk. Although if you would conduct referendums across EU countries, about the EU becoming less a big brother towards it states would be a really interesting one. (75% of your laws are made by the EU)

That's kind of wacky. Are there serious people wanting them to leave the EU or is it more like the wacky, loud, and usually racist in the USA that want to leave - like how Texas threatens to leave every so often. But nobody takes it seriously.

Or a few years ago, I think it was one of the Carolina's threatened to leave over gay marriage or giving women the right to vote or ending the ownership of other people. Some kind of equal rights thing got them all in a tizzy for a bit. They huffed and puffed, but eventually it died down.

Them leaving the EU would be stupid, IMO. But sometimes stupid people get political power and do bad things.

Of the main parties:

Conservatives want to renegotiate the terms of the EU and have a referendum on the revised terms in 2017.

Labour don't want any referendum.

Lib Dems don't want any referendum,but haven't ruled it out as part of a Conservative Lib Dem Coalition (they don't look like winning enough seats for this)

The only other party that wants a referendum is UKIP, and they want it in 2015 as terms of any coalition. However, despite having near double the percentage (approx 15%) of votes that the Lib Dems (8%) look likely to get, they'll be lucky to get a single MP meaning no influence whatsoever in our parliament while the Lib Dems would likely get 20-25 from that 8% due to the boundaries and First Past the Post voting system.

I'd actually say the chances of a referendum on the EU being on the cards after the results are in tomorrow is about 25%.

But how much are you prepared to pay for that as a North Western Europe country? Last time I checked Swiss and Norway did better than any EU country on a ridicilous amount of area's economics, healthcare, education and quite arguable immigration. European countries all have their own culture, much more than American states (even though your states do differ). Our nations are pride of the fact thqt they are Dutch, France, German, they see themselves as citizens of a country not as just an European. In a way the strength of the EU comes in it's diversity. take that away and transform it in another US/ Which would make the continent weaker, we complete each other these days and for that each nation needs some of it's own laws.

In an ideal world it could work, but it would make a huge mess of Europe due to all the uncertainties it will bring with it if Europe decides to become a supercontinent. Which industrie will profit from that, which industrie will be torn appart by that, the stock courses would go down damning the superstate. After a while they will recover and become strong but at a huge cultural, economical and industrial cost. I prefer Europe as a whole lot of different countries working together on some aspects and do there own thing (specialize)on other aspects 

Many laws are specifically designed for certain countries to make sure it's industrie and economics are strong and sustainable. Let's say we take Germany they make cars lots of them and there are quirte a few laws and delegates laws from that point making sure they can do that the way they see fit. France and Italy also makes cars but does do that differently and they have anotherset of laws for that. Combining all of those laws to one and hand them out is unwanted since everything needs to change. I wouldn't want a superior state to look in everything my country does and make practically all rules. For that instance I like Euro's guidelines makes sure this happens in x years  and you're free to do it your own way. Each country has it ways of doing this and ever had those ways the SuperEU should only give guidelines with deadlines which you have to make. If you do not there will be concequences, this way you retain the uniqueness of eah nation. Yet the EU is perfectly capable for that, but they should lose the directly enforcing European law trough EU members throat even if that certain party doesn't want that law. Keep our nations sovereign it's part of our identity and making them unsovereign would be one hell of a job to do ayways.  

That's actually really refreshing to read.

I personally don't like the EU. I like free trade, and free movement of people. I don't think that Europe represents either of those things. In fact, the EU is one of the most protectionist blocs in the world.

Some earlier posts in this thread said that the EU's financial markets would be much more stable without London. This is laughable, considering the situation with the Greek banks, and the absolutely dire state that Deutsche Bank are in.

British banks, for the most part, are withdrawing from, or reducing their presence in, European markets.

1. i traveld a lot the last 2 years, without talking to any border guard or paying any fee. just get up, shave, take the bike to the train station, buy a ticket, take the train to paris, or amsterdam, or warsaw.

free trade is a different thing, but less EU will not help. we need more EU for that, if every country has the same taxes, trade will be easyer.

and the europea banks could be much better regulated without london. thats a big plus.   and greek isnt such a big problem, the need to renew 400b in debt.

thats not so bad, they dont make much new debt(less than the uk)  and the EU without the UK would stand stronger, with lower ficaldeficit and lower tradedeficit.(and the Eurozone is way better of than the US, there is no new junkrealestate buble in the EU, ther is no tightoil buble in the EU and european students have no debt problem...)

In my opinion the EU has a lot of problems but moest of these problems come from not enough EU. More Eu is needed because most problems come from the countries having a lot of different rules imo