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KLXVER said:

Why should they be catered to? They made their choice. Dont buy a console, then dont expect to play many of the games on it.

Because it's a win-win-situation for developers/publishers (profitable) and new users of XB1 + PS4 consoles who haven't played these games before or want enhanced versions of their favorite 7th generation games.

While most PS3/360-ports aren't profitable on WiiU.



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SubiyaCryolite said:

 

You cant be serious? I would never buy a 9 year old system (PS3) to play older games and exclusives. Id much rather have those same games on my new system with some enhancements. I know you dont like remasters but please be considerate and rational.

 

Im very serious. Thats why Im a big fan of Bacwards Compatibility. If you want to pay for older games with a few enhancements, then thats your right. I prefer new games.



Conina said:
KLXVER said:

Why should they be catered to? They made their choice. Dont buy a console, then dont expect to play many of the games on it.

Because it's a win-win-situation for developers/publishers (profitable) and new users of these consoles who haven't played these games before or want enhanced versions of their favorite 7th generation games.

While most PS3/360-ports aren't profitable on WiiU.


Two words: Backwards Compatibility



In favour. I missed a lot of them first time round and at least you already know the game's good! The more improvements the better though.



Shadow1980 said:
KLXVER said:


You need to look closer then. The PS4 has been out for 17 months.

 

The Last Of Us Remastered

Grand Theft Auto 5 Remastered

Sleeping Dogs Definitive Edition

Tomb Raider Definitive Edition

Metro Redux

I could grant you these.

Saints Row IV: Re-Elected

Isn't that basically a straight port?

DMC Definitive Edition

I think this one counts. Haven't checked it out yet.

Dynasty Warriors 8: Xtreme Legends Complete Edition

Straight port, maybe?

Dead or Alive 5 Last Round

Cross-gen updated re-release of existing fighting game. Doesn't count.

Diablo III: Ultimate Evil Edition

Was this really even a remaster?

Resident Evil Remastered HD

20-year-old game. No retail releaes. Doesn't count.

Final Fantasy X/X-2 HD Remaster

Old PS2 games. Doesn't count.

Final Fantasy Type-0 HD

Never released on consoles and never released outside of Japan. Dubious example.

Grim Fandango Remastered

Old game. No retail release. Doesn't count.

Injustice: Gods Among Us Ultimate Edition

Straight port. Simultaneous cross-gen release. Doesn't count.

 

Coming 2015:

BlazBlue Chrono Phantasma Extend

Simultaneous cross-gen release. Port of arcade game. Doesn't count.

Borderlands: The Handsome Collection

Compilation. Doesn't count unless the MCC counts.

Dark Souls II: Scholar of the First Sin

Yep.

Darksiders II: Definitive Edition

Yes again, as far as I can tell.

Devil May Cry 4: Special Edition

Okay.

God of War III Remastered

Yes. Definite remaster.

Ultra Street Fighter IV

Doesn't really count, not really a remaster, just like all the previous fighting game examples.

So, out of 22 examples, 10 are definite retail-release remasters. The rest are either older games (sixth-gen or previous), cross-gen games, download-only games, or otherwise dubious examples, with a couple of ambiguous cases that may or may not count as "true" remasters but rather as straight ports.

Meanwhile, by the end of this year the PS4 and XBO will have accumulated between the two of them about 30 games that cannot be found on older hardware. Cross-gen games are also becoming less and less common, as I see only eight or so major retail-release games coming out from April to December this year that are coming simutaneously (or nearly so) to both current-gen and last-gen systems. 2016 is going to be all about current-gen.


So you proved me wrong by telling me that many of them are just lazy ports instead of remasters. Good job...

Resident Evil Remaster HD is not a 20 year old game. Its a HD remake of a Gamecube game. People keep telling me that Wind Waker HD is just as bad as TLOUR, well then this one should also be considered bad.

Grim Fandango came out the same year as OOT and people compare OOT3D to other remasters, so it should count as well.



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A_C_E said:
KLXVER said:

You need to look closer then. The PS4 has been out for 17 months.

 

The Last Of Us Remastered

Grand Theft Auto 5 Remastered

Sleeping Dogs Definitive Edition

Tomb Raider Definitive Edition

Metro Redux

Saints Row IV: Re-Elected

DMC Definitive Edition

Dynasty Warriors 8: Xtreme Legends Complete Edition

Dead or Alive 5 Last Round

Diablo III: Ultimate Evil Edition

Resident Evil Remastered HD

Final Fantasy X/X-2 HD Remaster

Final Fantasy Type-0 HD

Grim Fandango Remastered

Injustice: Gods Among Us Ultimate Edition

 

Coming 2015:

BlazBlue Chrono Phantasma Extend

Borderlands: The Handsome Collection

Dark Souls II: Scholar of the First Sin

Darksiders II: Definitive Edition

Devil May Cry 4: Special Edition

God of War III Remastered

Ultra Street Fighter IV

...

Check Mate.

lollolollol

KLX seems to think he has signed a contract whereby he must by all remastered games, little does he know is that you dont have to buy them, there are plenty of new games, and remasters are targeted actually at those who havent played them but want to. Nothing wrong with choice.



fireburn95 said:
A_C_E said:
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Check Mate.

lollolollol

KLX seems to think he has signed a contract whereby he must by all remastered games, little does he know is that you dont have to buy them, there are plenty of new games, and remasters are targeted actually at those who havent played them but want to. Nothing wrong with choice.


There is choice. Buy a PS3 and play all the PS3 games you want...



KLXVER said:

There is choice. Buy a PS3 and play all the PS3 games you want...

... in 720p or less, with 30 fps and sometimes slowdowns to 20 - 25 fps, some titles without antialiasing or with low visibility, blurry textures and near objects popping up.

Some people have higher quality expectations.



Shadow1980 said:
KLXVER said:


So you proved me wrong by telling me that many of them are just lazy ports instead of remasters. Good job...

Well, if you really want to get pedantic, I guess we could start throwing every cross-gen game into your list. Is a straight port of a game released to current-gen after its last-gen counterpart a cross-gen game or a remaster? If the the former, then that opens the door for calling every cross-gen game ever a "lazy port." If the latter, then how far apart do the release dates need to be to be considered one or the other? If you put a sharp dividing line, then that raises further issues. There are fuzzy boundaries in place. While the current-gen version of GTAV is an unambiguous remaster (significant improvement to visuals, new content), the status of other games aren't so obvious and may really be no more of a remaster than, say, the PS4 & XBO versions of COD: Advanced Warfare.

Resident Evil Remaster HD is not a 20 year old game. Its a HD remake of a Gamecube game. People keep telling me that Wind Waker HD is just as bad as TLOUR, well then this one should also be considered bad.

Grim Fandango came out the same year as OOT and people compare OOT3D to other remasters, so it should count as well.

Point being, they're older games. They came out before the seventh generation. RE:HD is a remaster of a 2002 remaster of a 1995 game. Big whoop. If you or anyone else wants to complain about them, I guess you should all be complaining about every remastered game ever, because it seems that for some people there is no statute of limitations and that no game should ever be remastered. Tell me, do you really find remasters that horrible of a thing? Is it really worth getting worked up about? Nobody is forcing you to buy these games, nobody forced you to early-adopt (I assume you have a current-gen system; otherwise your complaints wouldn't make sense because you wouldn't be affected by any of this), and these remasters likely have no real impact on the development of new games.

I don't know how long you've been playing video games, but I've been at it for at least 30 years. I've seen it all before. You know the old sayings "Everything old is new again" and "Nothing new under the sun"? Same thing applies to video games. Everything that's being complained about today isn't new. Cross-gen games, remasters, even half a dozen versions of Street Fighter. This has all gone on for many years. The only thing new is the volume of complaints, amplified by the echo chamber that is the internet. It's people making mountains out of molehills. It's nothing so severe as to make a big fuss about it.



 

It has never been to this degree before. If you truly have been gaming for 30 years, you know that damn well.

If you are ok with these Remasters, then you should be ok with microtransactions and lazy DLC as well, since you dont HAVE TO buy it.

I dont buy these year old remasters, but that doesnt stop them from getting released, now do they? I voted with my wallet and it did fuck all.

Some people have too much money and have no clue what to spend it on, thats the problem. They ruin it for the rest of us.



Conina said:
KLXVER said:

There is choice. Buy a PS3 and play all the PS3 games you want...

... in 720p or less, with 30 fps and sometimes slowdowns to 20 - 25 fps, some titles without antialiasing or with low visibility, blurry textures and near objects popping up.

Some people have higher quality expectations.


Well how about they make sure they get it right the first time?