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DélioPT said:
zorg1000 said:
DélioPT said:
^ To me the best part would be that Nintendo would be forced to either revive old IPs (Wave Race, Earthbound, etc.) and/or create new ones!

Yep, no longer will there be the need to make 2 entries of all their primary franchises which will allow them to branch out make more new ip or revive old ones.

Yeah. One of the things i really miss is those days where you anxiously waited for the next Mario or next Zelda.

I think they are overusing their biggest franchises and not really working hard to create new heavyweights. Some Wii series games did that but those days seem to be gone.
Splatoon is a great step in that direction and all the attention it has got so far shows that Nintendo knows they need something more and they should continue doing that.

Nintendo has developed/published a pretty decent amount of new ip this gen, Steel Diver, Wonderful 101, Dillon's Rolling Western, Pushmo/Crashmo, Splatoon, Codename S.T.E.A.M, Devil's Third, among other and revived some old series like Kid Icarus, Luigi's Mansion, Pilotwings, Star Fox but it would be nice to see more of this and really push some new ip, many of those listed titles flew under the radar because Nintendo didn't advertise/market them like they should have.

I also agree that Nintendo relies on certain franchises like Mario/Pokemon/Zelda too much which gives them too many entries, about 1/3 of the list in the OP belong to these 3 franchises either in mainline entries, remakes or spinoffs. Mario/Pokemon don't need 10 spinoff series and Zelda doesn't need 3 remakes per generation. Cut down on these franchises a bit and let new ones share the spotlight.



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Soundwave said:

Short answer - yes. At least for Nintendo fans it would be OK. 

But they'd need more diversity than that. But since they don't have to make 2 Smash Brothers, 2 Mario Karts, 2 Mario 3Ds, 2 Mario 2Ds, etc. per generation ... they could free up teams to work on new ideas/concepts too.


Basically this. All those crazy ideas that sometime they implement in their established ip's can fit in new ip's.



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I'd like to see the Wave Race and 1080 franchises return on Fusion. If they can work it out with EA another Nintendo Sim City would be awesome too. 

I'd lobby for Nintendo to buy the rights to the James Bond license too (it's available and just sitting there, why not).

Maybe get a new Soul Calibur game for launch (with Zelda and Fire Emblem characters), since Nintendo is so close with Namco these days.

Continue to support the Bayonetta franchise and greenlight Bayonetta 3.

Maybe even consider making a new NBA Courtside if they can't get Take 2 to commit the NBA 2K series. Perhaps its time for the MLB series (formerly with Ken Griffey Jr.) to return as well. 

Get more diversity in the lineup, more genres and styles of games please. Too many Japanese games, broaden out a bit. 



Some of those titles in OP were "rushed", so even though we'd get a little less than that list, the quality would be even higher, which is impressive considering Nintendo standards. The fusion concept is a win all around.

The scary part about it is, everyone seems to be making this (Fusion) prediction, and that's when Nintendo will shock us once again w/something out of left field lol.



Soundwave said:

I'd like to see the Wave Race and 1080 franchises return on Fusion. If they can work it out with EA another Nintendo Sim City would be awesome too. 

I'd lobby for Nintendo to buy the rights to the James Bond license too (it's available and just sitting there, why not).

Maybe get a new Soul Calibur game for launch (with Zelda and Fire Emblem characters), since Nintendo is so close with Namco these days.

Continue to support the Bayonetta franchise and greenlight Bayonetta 3.

Maybe even consider making a new NBA Courtside if they can't get Take 2 to commit the NBA 2K series.

Get more diversity in the lineup, more genres and styles of games please. Too many Japanese games, broaden out a bit. 

Ya I would like them to have a more broad range of racers, so games like Wave Race, 1080, F-Zero, Excite would be nice additions. I would also like to see the Mario Kart team work on a new style racer since they would no longer need to make 2 seperate entries, maybe something that's kind of a mix between Crazy Taxi and Need for Speed in terms of visuals and gameplay, I think that would be a pretty neat game.

I've thought for awhile too that Nintendo should try to secure the next Soul Calibur as an exclusive, the last one underperformed so I think Namco would be willing to do make it if Nintendo were willing to publish it outside of Japan, it would also give Nintendo a solid fighting game that differs from Smash Bros. Another game I think they should try to secure is the next Ninja Gaiden, the last one underperformed so I think it would be a nice addition to Nintendo's platforms and it seems like they are trying to build a fanbase of hack n slash titles. Ninja Gaiden reboot, Bayonetta 3, Hyrule Warriors 2 and Devil's Third 2 is a nice start.

As for sports titles, I think Nintendo should make a whole line of sports series and ditch Mario Sports but I don't think they should try competing with Madden/FIFA/NBA 2k by making overly realistic sports titles. The next Punch Out could be somewhat of a middle ground between the Wii version and Fight Night, they can do the same with other sports like a soccer game that's a nice middle ground between Mario Strikers and FIFA, do the same with Football, Golf, Tennis, Baseball, Basketball, release 1-2 sports games per year.

Also Nintendo should try getting some more shooters but not the typical Call of Duty style shooter. Like u said, they could acquire the rights to James Bond or they could try getting whoever owns the rights to Turok or Timesplitters to let them publish them. James Bond, Turok, Timesplitters, Devil's Third, Splatoon gives them a decent range of different types of shooters.

Overall Nintendo needs to try getting more types of games that appeal to the west since they already dominate Japan, things like sports, racing, shooters, fighting, action can really help them out.



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zorg1000 said:
DélioPT said:

Yeah. One of the things i really miss is those days where you anxiously waited for the next Mario or next Zelda.

I think they are overusing their biggest franchises and not really working hard to create new heavyweights. Some Wii series games did that but those days seem to be gone.
Splatoon is a great step in that direction and all the attention it has got so far shows that Nintendo knows they need something more and they should continue doing that.

Nintendo has developed/published a pretty decent amount of new ip this gen, Steel Diver, Wonderful 101, Dillon's Rolling Western, Pushmo/Crashmo, Splatoon, Codename S.T.E.A.M, Devil's Third, among other and revived some old series like Kid Icarus, Luigi's Mansion, Pilotwings, Star Fox but it would be nice to see more of this and really push some new ip, many of those listed titles flew under the radar because Nintendo didn't advertise/market them like they should have.

I also agree that Nintendo relies on certain franchises like Mario/Pokemon/Zelda too much which gives them too many entries, about 1/3 of the list in the OP belong to these 3 franchises either in mainline entries, remakes or spinoffs. Mario/Pokemon don't need 10 spinoff series and Zelda doesn't need 3 remakes per generation. Cut down on these franchises a bit and let new ones share the spotlight.

It's true that Nintendo brought new franchises - either publishing or developing them.
But when you look at them you see that they were titles that were meant to be small (pushmo, Dillon's RW, SteelDiver) or not the type of games most consumers are interested in anyway (W101, B2).

I don't know if Steam, Splatoon and Devil's Third will be big. Most likely, only Splatoon will.

What Nintendo needs - and the consumers have shown that - is sports titles (not Mario spinoffs), shooters, open world games, adventure games, RPGs.
In those categories, Nintendo is seriously lacking. One or two games in those genres in 3 years is not enough.
That's why i said above that Nintendo needs new heavyweights - and they will only get them if they invest in those genres that the majority of consumers seem to love.



Yeah these are the content deals I'd make, and they're all reasonable IMO, nothing stupid like "buy GTA exclusize Nintendo c'mon!".

- Buy the 007/Bond license or at minimum secure the rights to FPS Bond titles (meaning only Nintendo can make that type of Bond game). It's available and Bond is time-less, cool, appeals to multiple generations, and gives Nintendo an edgy product "mascot" without veering too far away from Nintendo's family friendly image. Parents are cool with Bond because they themselves grew up with Bond, it's not like the GTA or COD series.

- Cut a deal with Namco for a Soul Calibur exclusive title. Doesn't even have to be Soul Calibur VI per se, can just be built off the SCV engine with Zelda/Fire Emblem characters added in and other new features/fighters so that it feels like a new game while not being a huge investment for Namco. Have it at Fusion launch.

- Deal with EA. They get to either make separate Mario sports titles (Mario NFL, Mario FIFA), or get to incorporate Mario characters into the main Madden/FIFA/etc. games as as side mode. In exchange EA agrees to give the Fusion platform at least a yearly Madden, FIFA, and perhaps other IP like Sim City and Star Wars. Not a huge deal, but I think it's problematic when do you have any sports game presence on your platform; people love sports that's all there is to it.

- Ninja Gaiden exclusive for Fusion. Itagaki directs. Again Nintendo has all these relationships in place. They finance a new Ninja Gaiden game, Itagaki gets to back to the franchise he made famous and bring it back to respectability.

- I'd go ahead and just buy the entire Bayonetta IP from Sega, since they're bailing out of everything. Greenlight Bayonetta 3.

- I'd bring back things like Wave Race and 1080 and F-Zero. Pilotwings too perhaps. Make Punch-Out! a more regular franchise staple also (with Mike Tyson as a bonus boss). More diversity. And I'd encourage more new IP in this vein.



itsFizz said:

I´m still confused about the whole fusion thing. I mean sure it will save Nintendo some time for a couple games, but will cost them way more time than the 2 different platforms strategy overall.
The way I imagine it (and have read here) Nintendo will only produce home console level games (Assets/Size/polish/LoD/vision) and then downscale them to their handheld. This means that every single Handheld game will take as much time (and most importantly money) to develop as a console game. Sure now they instantly have a port of each console game on their Handheld but the overall output would significantly decrease compared to the OPs list.
The other Method would be every game is developed for the HH and ported to the home console. However that would probably spell instant death for the console.
Last but not least would be a mix (every console game is ported to HH and HH to console) of these. Now I really wonder who would buy that console in order to mostly play HH games? And let´s be real most people would still buy the HH instead of the console and Nintendo knows that. Thus we´d essentially be in a kind of reverse Vita situation ("all our HH games can be played on the Console...No need for a lot of original content").

Maybe I´m totally off here and missed some essential fusion concept or took things out of context. If so then tell me what exactly you mean with the fusion/unified platform as well as how it would actually help.


Would games necessarily have to be ported from one to another? When making games for PC, do developers have to make multiple versions in order to support PC's with different specs? Wouldn't it be possible to make a single game that is playable on both devices, with the console displaying the game at a higher resolution with better lighting and better AA?



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Porting was the  wrong word. Nintendo would have to downscale the games for HH in order for them to work.



      
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If the next generation is five years Nintendo could make one game a month - or more - during the whole generation: 

* Platformers * (2 games/year)
Super Mario 2D
Super Mario 2.5D
Super Mario 3D
Donkey Kong 2D
Donkey Kong 3D
Kirby
Yoshi
Wario World
Super Princess Peach

* Action/Adventure * (1 game/year)
The Legend of Zelda 2D
The Legend of Zelda 3D
Metroid 2D
Metroid 3D
Kid Icarus
Luigi's Mansion
Eternal Darkness

* Racing * (1 game/year)
Mario Kart
Wave Race
F-Zero
Excitebike
Pilotwings
Diddy Kong Racing

* Shooter/Fighters * (1 game/year)
Star Fox
Sin and Punishment
Super Smash Bros
Hyrule Warriors

* Sports * (2 games/year)
Mario Golf
Mario Tennis
Mario Strikers
Mario Sluggers
1080º
Wii Fit
Wii Sports
Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games
Punch-Out!!

* RPG * (2 games/year)
Pokémon
Paper Mario
Fire Emblem
Xenoblade
Custom Robo
Baten Kaitos
The Last Story
Inazuma Eleven
Earthbound
Mario & Luigi
Golden Sun
Fossil Fighters

* Misc* (3 games/year)
Animal Crossing
Mario Party
Pikmin
Nintendogs
WarioWare
Chibi-Robo!
Endless Ocean
Battalion Wars
Advance Wars
Trauma Center
Pokémon Trading Card Game 
Mario Paint
Style Savvy
Art Academy
Pokémon Stadium
Tomodachi 

* Puzzle * (1 game/year)
Picross
Dr Mario
Brain Training
Zack & Wiki
Mario vs. Donkey Kong
Pushmo
Captain Toad

* Music/ Rhythm * (1 game/year)
Donkey Konga
Rhythm Heaven
Elite Beat Agents
Wii Music

* Affiliated * (2 game/year)
Lego City
Professor Layton
Harvest Moon
Fantasy Life
Monster Hunter
Dragon Quest
Youkai Watch
Bayonetta
Devil's Third