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NobleTeam360 said:
Justagamer said:
The ultimate goal is to disarm america. For obvious reasons too. I am a gun owner, and I want it to remain that way.

We are a dying breed my friend


And that is, no offense, a very good thing. I expect your race to be extinct very soon, so the world can be a safer place.



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farlaff said:
NobleTeam360 said:

We are a dying breed my friend


And that is, no offense, a very good thing. I expect your race to be extinct very soon, so the world can be a safer place.

The world will never be safe dude

there are people out there thatll get a gun no matter what and take advantage of the defenless inncoents like you and me.



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OfficerRaichu15 said:
binary solo said:
Well I don't think there should be a constitutional right to own guns. So I applaud any effort to circumvent such a ridiculous and outdated part of the constitution. However if there is lying involved that isn't cool.

Say guns are banned

what if these killers go to the black market to get them

how could I defend myself if they break into my house with a gun?

This is a question a lot of people in NYC, Chicago, and Washington D.C. ask. Violent criminals have guns. Pigs have guns. But non-criminals or rather non-violent criminals (find a person find a crime) are left to be killed and slaughtered by the first two options. 



NobleTeam360 said:
mornelithe said:

From what?  Is your avg citizen running into allot of situations with criminals wearing body armor?

What does it matter if the gun in question can pierce body armor? Rifles are used in a very slim margin of crimes, so why is the government so desperate to ban them? The whole point of the 2nd amendment was to protect ourselves from a potentailly tryanical governement.

See, this is where the argument falls apart.  I can see the argument from self-defense from criminal aspects, and I most certainly agree that targeting a weapon (assault rifles) that aren't the main culprit (hand guns) makes zero sense to me.  But, a tyrranical Government?  Really?  That's your fallback?  In what world do you live in where a supposed 'tyrranical US Government' intent on killing you, would be stopped by armor piercing bullets fired from a gun of that caliber and range?  Nevermind helicopters, nevermind jets, nevermind a 50 caliber that could punch a hole through your house and still tear you to pieces, a single drone, or hell if they're 'tyrranical' a cruise missile taking out your entire block is a mere pittance to them.  Hell, they could just send in a few of the SWORD prototypes in, and lay waste.  Why would they care?  They're tyrranical.

Again, I do like guns...but that whole self defense thing against the Government mattered when black powder was cutting edge tech.  A group of citizens stands no chance against a US Gov't willing to forgo rules of engagement and constitutional law (no armed forces in US cities).  That's just how it is, unless we relax things even further and allow private citizens to purchase heavy weaponry en-masse.



mornelithe said:
Justagamer said:
The ultimate goal is to disarm america. For obvious reasons too. I am a gun owner, and I want it to remain that way.

Please elaborate.


because if you do not have the means to defend yourself as an individual who takes the responsiblity over from you?

 

the government meaning that you are as a result dependent on the government 

which is of course the goal of socialism so i guess that's why "socialistslayer" posted this lol



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farlaff said:
NobleTeam360 said:

We are a dying breed my friend


And that is, no offense, a very good thing. I expect your race to be extinct very soon, so the world can be a safer place.

Also about 50% of Americans own a firearm, so we aren't going anywhere



sc94597 said:

Radical Afghanis, Iraqis, and Vietanamese seemed to do fine. There is such a thing called guerilla warfare, and some of the most prominent powers have arisen through this (see China.) 

Straw man.  A tyrranical US Government would ignore the rules of engagement that our forces abroad are held by.  If we didn't care about collateral damage, the war would've been over in a few days.  The US has every ability to render the entire middle east to a glass surface, nevermind chemical or biological agents.



sc94597 said:

Radical Afghanis, Iraqis, and Vietanamese seemed to do fine. There is such a thing called guerilla warfare, and some of the most prominent powers have arisen through this (see China.) 


I think the climate is quite different in america than it is in the middle east, and I certainly don't think that an anti government terrorist sect would be able to do much other than killing a number of civilians. I also don't think that said terrorist sect would be able to accomplish much of anything in winning over the people...

Lets be clear, what we are talking about is treason and terrorism, that would be highly inappropriate in all but the most ridiculous anti governmental fantasies. Our right to own assault rifles is in no way keeping the government scared of the populace, and I personally don't think that there is any reason that a reasonable civilian (aka, one who doesn't hold terroristic fantasies) would see any need to own an assault rifle or suffer in any way from losing that weapon.



OfficerRaichu15 said:
Personally you really can't stop murder with guns anyway since the baddies will go to the black market for them I bet.


Although this is partially true and intended murders will still be committed,accidents and lethal robberies etc. are less common if you can't buy a gun so easily. Let them make a real effort not directly forbid it since it sorta is part of the American way, people won't care enough anymore to go all that paperwork let them buy a dog instead.



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OfficerRaichu15 said:
farlaff said:


And that is, no offense, a very good thing. I expect your race to be extinct very soon, so the world can be a safer place.

The world will never be safe dude

there are people out there thatll get a gun no matter what and take advantage of the defenless inncoents like you and me.


And with all due respect, Rai, how is responding violence with violence a good answer to that? There are way too many people taking their CoD games much seriously.