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So what's your number?

<100m 77 25.50%
 
>100m 119 39.40%
 
>120m 40 13.25%
 
>140m 27 8.94%
 
Half-Life 3 comfirmed! 39 12.91%
 
Total:302

One dip, boom doomed, I can already see these kind of threads exploding during summer. ''OMG the PS4 is around 100k no console leader selling 100m+ ever sold around 100k on a weekly basis'' (The DS, PS2 and probably the PS1 doesn't count)



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Could depend on China, project Morpheus, and PS Now. A big must have game (a la cod4 last gen) wouldn't go amiss.



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90M I think this gen will go till 2019 but Nintendo will release Wii U successor 2018



walsufnir said:
vivster said:
walsufnir said:
I think the most important thing to 100m is how long Sony is willing to sell the console. This gen both consoles don't have any advantage to pc beside the api but DirectX 12 is changing this to a good extend so let's see how it will work this gen.
I don't care because beside of emulation I don't care about pc (well, I do my work with it, though) but let's see how long it can keep going.

Didn't expect something like that from you. You're usually quite thoughtful.

Nothing in this gen changed in the advantages and disadvantages of consoles vs PCs. It's still the same factors that make people decide for one thing or the other. DX12 will change absolutely nothing. It will do nothing for the vast majority of PC gamers, let alone sway console owners to a PC.

I'm seeing mobile as the much more prominent competitor to consoles when stealing marketshare is concerned.

 

You think I am not this time?

Well, we have a set of parameters (which also apply to me) why one would choose a console over a PC and I don't want to repeat them as we all know how these discussions and dependencies work and probably had them before many times.

I just want to say that, although we had several gens now, we don't know how close connected tech is with success really as consoles always had a (subjectively) small advantage considering PC tech. This gen, there is no advantage besides of "bare metal" apis which can't compete with better PC hardware which is even more not counting with DX12.

We have to wonder if devs are still willing to prefer consoles to "gimp" PC versions or if they are to take more advantage of what PC can do so to make console versions "appropriate". This is already in some way happening and we  already started the gen.

Perhaps people don't care taking less resolution (which would happen, of course) or don't mind having less IQ as we don't know how much people care about advantages and disadvantages about PC gaming in general.

To me, again, I don't care. I will always prefer consoles gaming for several reasons. But if tech overtakes the consoles (which happened already before release of the console, mind...) I guess both MS and Sony are forced to release "something new" (PSNow, perhaps, although I doubt network tech is there in the next 10 years) to compete with tech in general.

 

Mobile? Well, to me this is just a different market because I look at it how I see it and mobile gaming is a nogo for me :) But I don't know how much it could possibly steal from the main market. I just hope it attracts people like the Wii did while not taking too much from the "core" market.

Technology and how advanced it is compared to PC is irrelevant. Mainstream does not care about that.

Ask 100 non-PC gamers what they would plug into their TV to play games from their couch and 99 people will answer with "console". Ask 100 people if they would like to build a PC or just use a console that is cheaper and you will have a similar result. Pixels and performance are absolutely irrlevant to most people's decision between the 2 choices.

Devs have been gimping their games in favor of consoles for the last 5 years when PCs were miles above anything a console could do. This will not change this gen and especially not this early when PC and consoles are closest.

If the specs between PCs and consoles would matter one bit, consoles would've died out by the end of gen 6.

Where do you think most of the casuals that bought into motion controls and handhelds went after last gen? Certainly not PC. Meaning the biggest deflux from dedicated consoles went to mobile, making it the main perpetrator of lost revenue in the console industry. Hence mobile is the greatest danger for consoles today, not PC. Ask Nintendo about this.



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This is a short and a very front-loaded gen, Ps4 is behind Wii (ps4-2014: 14m vs Wii-2007: 16.5m, 2008: 24m, 2009:22m and 2010: 17 m) And is starting 2015 almost lower than 2014. So no, lots of people want to believe it will, but is not going to outsell the Wii.

  Ps4 < 100 m.



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shouldn't be much of a problem



vivster said:

Not trying to jump the gun because of sub par January sales. Just a quick check what's the current average estimate here.

I'm still sticking with my sub 100m prediction that I had since launch, with only VR having the potential to bring back enough casuals to beat it. I know I'm in the minority with this.

Lol! VR attracting casuals? I don't think so. Casuals are into devices that are cheap and easy and let you pretend you're not really playing a video game. VR doesn't fit any of those criteria.

Anyway I think 100 million is achievable, but my guess is it will fall short of that. People got all excited about 18.5M at the end of last year, but that's still only ~14 million for the calendar year, which is good, but not necessarily 100 million good. It wil all depend on how long the generation runs. Given Wii U is staring down the barrel of being the worst selling Nintendo console in all of history, and Xb one is looking like it could achieve a 50% reduction compared to 360, those possibilities point to the generation being rather short. Sony won't stick around in the 8th generation by itself so unless PS4 can do 100 million in 5 years it probably won't get there. In some ways, if you want PS4 to sell over 100 million then you need to hope that Xb one sells pretty well too so that MS can feel comfortable with having a 7 year cycle. As long as NES2K is about as powerful as PS4 and not an actual full generation leap, then it might not matter if Nintendo jumps to the 9th gen, as long as MS doesn't jump too.



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I think the key thing to remember here is that the PS4 (and XBO) is still being held back by 3rd party devs making games for Gen 7 consoles.

A lot of people still see no real reason to jump in to Gen 8. Give it another 12-18 Months when developers have fully transitioned to Gen 8 and Sony's own developers are really pushing what the system is capable of and we will have a better idea of where the roof is.



                            

Ryng_Tolu said:
small44 said:
Playstation never was a casuals console

PS2 is after the Wii the king of casual.

Even PS4.


When i talk about casual i talk about games like Cook mama and Nintendo dogs did any ps2 or ps4 casuals games like those two sold as much as them the question is no.

If you put Fifa and Call of duty games in casuals range then those gamers never left home consoles



PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m

Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m

binary solo said:
vivster said:

Not trying to jump the gun because of sub par January sales. Just a quick check what's the current average estimate here.

I'm still sticking with my sub 100m prediction that I had since launch, with only VR having the potential to bring back enough casuals to beat it. I know I'm in the minority with this.

Lol! VR attracting casuals? I don't think so. Casuals are into devices that are cheap and easy and let you pretend you're not really playing a video game. VR doesn't fit any of those criteria.

Anyway I think 100 million is achievable, but my guess is it will fall short of that. People got all excited about 18.5M at the end of last year, but that's still only ~14 million for the calendar year, which is good, but not necessarily 100 million good. It wil all depend on how long the generation runs. Given Wii U is staring down the barrel of being the worst selling Nintendo console in all of history, and Xb one is looking like it could achieve a 50% reduction compared to 360, those possibilities point to the generation being rather short. Sony won't stick around in the 8th generation by itself so unless PS4 can do 100 million in 5 years it probably won't get there. In some ways, if you want PS4 to sell over 100 million then you need to hope that Xb one sells pretty well too so that MS can feel comfortable with having a 7 year cycle. As long as NES2K is about as powerful as PS4 and not an actual full generation leap, then it might not matter if Nintendo jumps to the 9th gen, as long as MS doesn't jump too.

Not saying VR will get the casuals but if anything pushes the PS4 beyond 100m (and it will need casuals for that) then VR will do it.

Look at how the casuals jumped on Kinect last gen. With the right marketing push(Facebook says hello) it could get a lot of casuals hot and bothered. And if VR gets a major popularity boost Sony's VR will profit most from it since it's on a console and the most popular one no less.

Nonetheless I agree with your analysis.



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