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JazzB1987 said:
starcraft said:
Vaccinations do not cause autism. There is no credible evidence of any kind to suggest that modern vaccinations cause anything like autism.

Refusing to vaccinate your children without a valid medical reason is selfish, cruel and utterly illogical.


How does that reply make any sense at all.

First off all show me how vaccination has no negative impact on our bodies. then give me a credible source on that and if you find something then give me evidence that that study was NOT paid by a loby etc.
(same logic as your "no credible evidence of any kind....")

Then how is that cruel selfish or utterly illogical. A doubt is a valid reason
Everyone knows that vaccination does do harm AND good. (As do blood transfusions that cause cancer and thrombosis) So even being ill for 2 weeks thanks to the vaccine (which is not rare at all)  is a good enough reason to not give that shit to kids especially when there is more tan 1 type of vaccine for the same  flu/ whatever and you only have access to the shit-tier one.
E.g.   The german government and the Bundeswehr got "highend vaccine" the population got the crappy one and you could not at all get the one politicians or soldiers got.

Also in case of flu etc. If you get vaccinated but I dont then you have no risk at all. No person that gets it has any risk at all. Only the people that dont want that crap will suffer. And if people would have a brain shit like a flu would not even spread.

Sneeze into your shoulder/armbit instead of your hands.
Dont touch your mouth or nose and if you do just use the back of your hand.
Wash your hands.
Dont go out when you know you are ill
Do a japanese "hello bow" instead of giving hands.
Wear this


Every kind of flu or whatever would just die out if people would stop spreading it for a month or so. We should educate  people isntead of giving them crap.
Even my sister (who is a nurse) is idiotic and tells her little kids to put their hands in front of their mouths when they sneeze or cough.....

The bolded i take issue with, as it allows skeptics to continuously move the goalposts. No study is ever too independent, yada yada...



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Mr Khan said:
JazzB1987 said:
starcraft said:
Vaccinations do not cause autism. There is no credible evidence of any kind to suggest that modern vaccinations cause anything like autism.

Refusing to vaccinate your children without a valid medical reason is selfish, cruel and utterly illogical.


How does that reply make any sense at all.

First off all show me how vaccination has no negative impact on our bodies. then give me a credible source on that and if you find something then give me evidence that that study was NOT paid by a loby etc.
(same logic as your "no credible evidence of any kind....")

Then how is that cruel selfish or utterly illogical. A doubt is a valid reason
Everyone knows that vaccination does do harm AND good. (As do blood transfusions that cause cancer and thrombosis) So even being ill for 2 weeks thanks to the vaccine (which is not rare at all)  is a good enough reason to not give that shit to kids especially when there is more tan 1 type of vaccine for the same  flu/ whatever and you only have access to the shit-tier one.
E.g.   The german government and the Bundeswehr got "highend vaccine" the population got the crappy one and you could not at all get the one politicians or soldiers got.

Also in case of flu etc. If you get vaccinated but I dont then you have no risk at all. No person that gets it has any risk at all. Only the people that dont want that crap will suffer. And if people would have a brain shit like a flu would not even spread.

Sneeze into your shoulder/armbit instead of your hands.
Dont touch your mouth or nose and if you do just use the back of your hand.
Wash your hands.
Dont go out when you know you are ill
Do a japanese "hello bow" instead of giving hands.
Wear this


Every kind of flu or whatever would just die out if people would stop spreading it for a month or so. We should educate  people isntead of giving them crap.
Even my sister (who is a nurse) is idiotic and tells her little kids to put their hands in front of their mouths when they sneeze or cough.....

The bolded i take issue with, as it allows skeptics to continuously move the goalposts. No study is ever too independent, yada yada...


I agree but  asking for evidence that proves something is not healthy makes absolutely no sense. Thats why I demanded evidence for the exact opposite thing.

If there is two groups that have contradicting studies. Which one can lose the most by failing or gain the most by succeeding?  I automatically take that groups "facts" with a grain of salt.

Like the suggar/sweetener industry/lobby/government and their ban on stevia in europe.
Sweeteners are not healthy at all  but they keep selling that shit because they said "Give us 100% evidence that it is unhealthy if you cant and even 1% still says  using sweeteners is NOT risky at all we will keep selling it"
At the meantime they blocked stevia from entering the european market for decades! because "as long as 1% of the studies show it might be risky to eat/consume stevia it will stay illegal because we want to PROTECT the people"....

Double standards....




JazzB1987 said:

How does that reply make any sense at all.

First off all show me how vaccination has no negative impact on our bodies. then give me a credible source on that and if you find something then give me evidence that that study was NOT paid by a loby etc.
(same logic as your "no credible evidence of any kind....")

Then how is that cruel selfish or utterly illogical. A doubt is a valid reason
Everyone knows that vaccination does do harm AND good. (As do blood transfusions that cause cancer and thrombosis) So even being ill for 2 weeks thanks to the vaccine (which is not rare at all)  is a good enough reason to not give that shit to kids especially when there is more tan 1 type of vaccine for the same  flu/ whatever and you only have access to the shit-tier one.
E.g.   The german government and the Bundeswehr got "highend vaccine" the population got the crappy one and you could not at all get the one politicians or soldiers got.

Also in case of flu etc. If you get vaccinated but I dont then you have no risk at all. No person that gets it has any risk at all. Only the people that dont want that crap will suffer. And if people would have a brain shit like a flu would not even spread.

Sneeze into your shoulder/armbit instead of your hands.
Dont touch your mouth or nose and if you do just use the back of your hand.
Wash your hands.
Dont go out when you know you are ill
Do a japanese "hello bow" instead of giving hands.
Wear this

Every kind of flu or whatever would just die out if people would stop spreading it for a month or so. We should educate  people isntead of giving them crap.
Even my sister (who is a nurse) is idiotic and tells her little kids to put their hands in front of their mouths when they sneeze or cough.....

First of all, there have been countless tests and studies about the effects of vaccines. Here is one website with a number of links to scientific studies relating to autism and vaccinations (what most people are concerned about) - http://www.autismsciencefoundation.org/autismandvaccines.html

Second, there can potentially be negative effects from vaccinations. In very rare cases it is possible to be allergic to vaccines, or if you are immune compromised, it is possible to get sick from the flu vaccine. This is why you are instructed to non get vaccinated if you have an immune system deficiency. However, that is also why those of us who are healthy should get vaccinated. This doesn't just affect those who are ignorant enough to refuse vaccination, but also everybody around them, including those who cannot physically get vaccinated.

Third, it is important to not that we aren't really talking about seasonal flu vaccinations. We are talking about vaccinations such as the MMR (Measles, Mumps and Rubella) Vaccine. These diseases aren't simply a two week cough, they are very serious viruses which can lead to brain damage, meningitis or death. 

Finally, read your conclusion again...really? These diseases would die out if people would stop spreading them? That quite an ignorant thing to say. You do realize that you are often contagious before you even begin to show symptoms, correct? Also, viruses like measles can hang in the air for up to two hours after someone sneezes...this isn't as simple as you are making it out to be.



sundin13 said:
JazzB1987 said:

First of all, there have been countless tests and studies about the effects of vaccines. Here is one website with a number of links to scientific studies relating to autism and vaccinations (what most people are concerned about) - http://www.autismsciencefoundation.org/autismandvaccines.html

Second, there can potentially be negative effects from vaccinations. In very rare cases it is possible to be allergic to vaccines, or if you are immune compromised, it is possible to get sick from the flu vaccine. This is why you are instructed to non get vaccinated if you have an immune system deficiency. However, that is also why those of us who are healthy should get vaccinated. This doesn't just affect those who are ignorant enough to refuse vaccination, but also everybody around them, including those who cannot physically get vaccinated.

Third, it is important to not that we aren't really talking about seasonal flu vaccinations. We are talking about vaccinations such as the MMR (Measles, Mumps and Rubella) Vaccine. These diseases aren't simply a two week cough, they are very serious viruses which can lead to brain damage, meningitis or death. 

Finally, read your conclusion again...really? These diseases would die out if people would stop spreading them? That quite an ignorant thing to say. You do realize that you are often contagious before you even begin to show symptoms, correct? Also, viruses like measles can hang in the air for up to two hours after someone sneezes...this isn't as simple as you are making it out to be.


Yeah BUT

There is alot if crap vaccine and they could make vaccine without the negative side effects (like the one the German government used) but they dont want to.

 Also in a theoretical future where everyone would be "non-lazy" and wash hands and e.g sneeze into shoulders etc. (health scanners that lock you into your apartment would be welcome!) how would some virus end up in the air if noone would spread it exactly?
How would you be contagious if you could not get it from anyone?

And even if you would be because someone sneezed so fast he could not sneeze into his armpit/shoulder  how big are the chances you do the same especially when you wear a mask?

I simplified that issue way to much I know but Its also not as complicated as you make it look.

And even dropping vaccine usage by 50% would be a WIN for humanity.



SocialistSlayer said:

this. like vaccines there is zero proof that GMOs are unsafe (in fact they are generally better, and better for you than "natural" food (which has been genetically modified over time anyway)), and large amounts of verifiable evidence that they are safe.

they only problem i have with GMOs, is IP trolling, laws.

This is possibly one of the most absurd statements that I have heard in my entire life.

GMO's are better for you than natural food? Did you read what you just wrote prior to posting? Please tell me you are not serious.



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I am concerned with the over-belief in vaccines but some vaccines should be taken by all in order to prevent possible deadly outbreaks in the future. Measles is absolutely one of them and it should be mandatory for all. Yes, some people can have adverse effects to it but there are so few and government should be forced to compensate if someone gets for example autism because of a vaccine.



JazzB1987 said:

Yeah BUT

There is alot if crap vaccine and they could make vaccine without the negative side effects (like the one the German government used) but they dont want to.

 Also in a theoretical future where everyone would be "non-lazy" and wash hands and e.g sneeze into shoulders etc. (health scanners that lock you into your apartment would be welcome!) how would some virus end up in the air if noone would spread it exactly?
How would you be contagious if you could not get it from anyone?

And even if you would be because someone sneezed so fast he could not sneeze into his armpit/shoulder  how big are the chances you do the same especially when you wear a mask?

I simplified that issue way to much I know but Its also not as complicated as you make it look.


Typically the "crap" in the vaccine is pretty much neccessary...things like:

-Antibiotics - Prevents bacterial contamination (not harmful)
-Aluminum Salts - Improve the body's response to the vaccine (not harmful)
-Formaldehyde - Used to kill live germs and toxins, then removed (not harmul in the quantities found in vaccines)
-And more stuff like that

You can't exactly just remove that stuff. While I can't speak on the German incident that you are talking about because you didn't provide a link, I will say that in virtually all cases, vaccines do not have "crap" in them.

Also, that is quite the theoretical future you have there. Like...Orwellian, if I do say so myself. Needless to say, we don't live in that reality, so we can't exactly behave as if we do. We live in the real world, where vaccines are still pretty much necessary. Also, we don't live in a world where everyone has the luxury to be in an environment surrounded by healthy people. Just one person who doesn't wear a mask in your system causes everything to crumble. No government can enforce the regulations that you seem to be requesting, but vaccinations can be mandated.

And once again, you are often contagious before you get any symptoms whatsoever...fairly difficult to do much of anything to prevent that.

Nirvana_Nut85 said:
SocialistSlayer said:

this. like vaccines there is zero proof that GMOs are unsafe (in fact they are generally better, and better for you than "natural" food (which has been genetically modified over time anyway)), and large amounts of verifiable evidence that they are safe.

they only problem i have with GMOs, is IP trolling, laws.

This is possibly one of the most absurd statements that I have heard in my entire life.

GMO's are better for you than natural food? Did you read what you just wrote prior to posting? Please tell me you are not serious.

Often times, Genetically Modified food has nutrients that wouldn't otherwise be in those foods. While there obviously isn't any blanket statement to apply as not all GMOs have been modified in the same way, I wouldn't really consider them to be wrong. Please elaborate.



HoloDust said:
To all the naysayers here - once you have a child who developed some type of PDD after the vaccine, like mine have, I would like to hear again on this topic from you.

Emotional responses are not rational. You forfeit the ability to converse unbiased on this topic. As per this same argument, were you a victim of a plane crash you'd be screaming that planes are unsafe.

It's just sad how humans allow emotions to govern their thoughts rather than diligent reasoning.



Teeqoz said:
curl-6 said:
Also, Measles killed 145,700 people in 2013 alone, or about 400 per day.

That is, however, a 75% decrease from 2000... thanks to, you guessed it, vaccination.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en/


That's how many children per thousand are diagnosed with autism. As you can see, there's a more than 200% increase since 2000. Now I don't know why that is, but it has to be something.

Doesn't necessarily mean the two are linked though.



 

Often times, Genetically Modified food has nutrients that wouldn't otherwise be in those foods. While there obviously isn't any blanket statement to apply as not all GMOs have been modified in the same way, I wouldn't really consider them to be wrong. Please elaborate.


- There is no credible scientific evidence to support this claim

Please provide a respected peer reviewed study where thorough tests were conducted, not paid Monsanto scientists.

The current approved GMOs have no nutritional difference than your average fruits/vegtables.

To state they are healthier is absurd.



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