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Mr Khan said:
Mummelmann said:

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I see that more people have understood the possibility of diagnostics; I happen to work with kids for the past 1.5 years where many of them are in the autism spectrum, Aspberger is also common in this group. Almost all of them had other diagnosis to begin with; usually tied more directly into psychiatri, things such as anxiety, isolating behavior and even outbursts and fits of rage are often interpreted in many different ways.

It's the same with ADD; it is the go-to label for the kids that parents and/or teacher can't or don't want to handle, there is gross misuse of the term here in Scandinavia.

Yeah, it once was that you just had the weird kid (i was one of those, mind, though i never had any diagnosis of anything), and that was the end of it. Now everything has to be categorized. This is not a bad thing in itself, but then it leads people to think there is an "epidemic" of this or that disorder.


Too true, and that causes problems, like the one we're discussing here. I remember how bird flu and swine flu was going to kill tens of million as well; yet nothing much happened. Media reports on health and disease should be either covered by or approved by some sort of panel or person(s) who have actual insights in these fields. Tech reports, sports coverage and even something as unimportant as celebrities and entertainment has specialists who are very well versed on their respective subjects but it seems like they let any old fool cover health issues (I should know, my girlfriend's father is a medical freelance journalist and writes about stuides, he says that almost everyone he has worked with were clueless and so were their editorial staff).



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Holy shit! Human stupidity really knows no bounds.



GMOs have an infinitely greater effect on the environment than the do human health...in fact, there is really virtually no risk to human health from GMOs aside from a) potential change in pesticide use (although I believe pesticides undergo rigorous safety testing); and b) potentially triggering allergies in foods that wouldn't normally trigger allergies.

A GMO is just a genetically modified organism...for some reason, "genetically modified" triggers some irrational, innate fear in people



padib said:
Mystro-Sama said:
Holy shit! Human stupidity really knows no bounds.

Yup, thanks for your contribution you are a glorious human being.


Thanks, I try. ;)



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Europe isn't concerned in the least about any health dangers of GMOs. They banned them (partially) because:

-Many varieties are  known to expand agressively, and can cause <pollution> (cross-polination) with local varieties.

-GMOs are very productive, which could incite local farmers to take them instead of any varieties typical to a certain region: The EU likes to protect certain food productions as cultral heritage. Also, they want to discourage massif monocultures, as to protect the landscape.

-Certain GMO varieties were created to specifically used with a poison which they are immune to. These are usually harmless, if used correctly, but malinformed farmers tend to use them in extravagant quantaties, which can have negative effects (more on the environnement than on humans, however.) Also, if a single substance is used too frequently, it can let superweeds evolve, which are hard to get rid of.

In fact, the importation of GMO products is fully legal. Immense quantaties of <banned> soy come into the continent from South America, mostly to feed cattle. B



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melbye said:
The big question is why is there mercury in vaccines? I never really understood that


just found this topid and still reading so i dont know if its been answered,  But im pretty sure its a preservative agent to prevent the growth of deadly microbes within the vaccine.



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Soleron said:
HollyGamer said:
I am more believe vaccine can change and distorted some DNA and RNA factor in human gene, that lead some modification on human behavior and attitude.

By what mechanism?

Well virus always targeting human body by distorting human RNA on their cell. Many virus like AIDS etc targeting human blood cell and their white blood cell. The Vaccine it self is still a virus but with controllable cause that let the body learning and creating some anti virus. If Virus can altered our cell RNA then science can change the proprietary of Virus then it's easy to get some theory that human can indirectly affecting human genes.



Mr Khan said:
padib said:
Mr Khan said:

Your multi-quote seems to be screwing with my ability to quote you.

The measles outbreak is not a "bad" problem in the grand scheme of things, i'll grant, but the trick of all of this is that this suffering was entirely preventable but for a few people who think that they know better. If there is a revolt, it's part of the long luddite reaction against modernity, sprouting up in odd crevices of society (interestingly, anti-vax was a buggaboo of the American Left until recently, when the Republicans are picking it up as part of their recent anti-government streak, like Tom Thillis and his "you don't have to wash your hands" weirdness). It's the revolt of romanticism against enlightenment, where the affective concept of natural purity clashes with biology and chemistry and other sciences. What you see here is a counterrevolution, as people get fed up with anti-vaxxer silliness and move to crush it.

The other end of your argument is a non-starter. In a world of pure theory your thought on a slippery slope of people being forced to take drugs is correct, but we don't live in a world of theory. In the real world, we have vaccines, tried, tested, and proven. People are rejecting these vaccines. Nobody is talking about forcing some experimental drug on people, and stamping out of anti-vax nonsense is not going to lead to that. As a macro concept, the slippery slope is a fallacy.

You're going too abstract. Do you agree that it's a possibility, in light of what we know of the existence of mediatic propaganda and increasing population control? It may not have a precedent yet, but it's a possibility.

Take GMOs for example. "Oh, those are fine" the powers will tell us. Meantime in Europe they are banned.

This is rapidly veering into conspiracy theorist territory. GMOs *are* fine, perfectly healthy as far as eating goes (what they can do to other crops is a possibility, the real controversy about GMOs is more a dispute about farmers and intellectual property and has little to do with public health). Concerns of population control are specious at best.


this. like vaccines there is zero proof that GMOs are unsafe (in fact they are generally better, and better for you than "natural" food (which has been genetically modified over time anyway)), and large amounts of verifiable evidence that they are safe.

they only problem i have with GMOs, is IP trolling, laws.



 

starcraft said:
Vaccinations do not cause autism. There is no credible evidence of any kind to suggest that modern vaccinations cause anything like autism.

Refusing to vaccinate your children without a valid medical reason is selfish, cruel and utterly illogical.


How does that reply make any sense at all.

First off all show me how vaccination has no negative impact on our bodies. then give me a credible source on that and if you find something then give me evidence that that study was NOT paid by a lobby etc.
(I mean you als demand evidence right? So I also do it)

Then how is that cruel selfish or utterly illogical. A doubt is a valid reason especially when the doubt exists for a reason.
Everyone knows that vaccination does do harm AND good. (As do blood transfusions that cause cancer and thrombosis and even more crap.) So even being ill for 2 weeks thanks to the vaccine (which is not rare at all)  is a good enough reason to not give that shit to kids especially when there is more tan 1 type of vaccine for the same  flu/ whatever and you only have access to the shit-tier one.
E.g.   The german government and the Bundeswehr got "highend vaccine" the population got the crappy one and you could not at all get the one politicians or soldiers got.

Also in case of flu etc. If you get vaccinated but I dont then you have no risk at all. No person that gets it has any risk at all. Only the people that dont want that crap will "suffer". When they touch doorknobs and then their food etc.  And if people would have a brain shit like a flu would not even spread.

Sneeze into your shoulder/armbit instead of your hands.
Dont touch your mouth or nose and if you do just use the back of your hand.
Wash your hands.
Dont go out when you know you are ill
Do a japanese "hello bow" instead of giving hands.
Wear this


Every kind of flu or whatever would just die out if people would stop spreading it for a month or so. We should educate  people isntead of giving them crap.
Even my sister (who is a nurse) is idiotic and tells her little kids to put their hands in front of their mouths when they sneeze or cough.....