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Mr Khan said:
padib said:
Mr Khan said:

Your multi-quote seems to be screwing with my ability to quote you.

The measles outbreak is not a "bad" problem in the grand scheme of things, i'll grant, but the trick of all of this is that this suffering was entirely preventable but for a few people who think that they know better. If there is a revolt, it's part of the long luddite reaction against modernity, sprouting up in odd crevices of society (interestingly, anti-vax was a buggaboo of the American Left until recently, when the Republicans are picking it up as part of their recent anti-government streak, like Tom Thillis and his "you don't have to wash your hands" weirdness). It's the revolt of romanticism against enlightenment, where the affective concept of natural purity clashes with biology and chemistry and other sciences. What you see here is a counterrevolution, as people get fed up with anti-vaxxer silliness and move to crush it.

The other end of your argument is a non-starter. In a world of pure theory your thought on a slippery slope of people being forced to take drugs is correct, but we don't live in a world of theory. In the real world, we have vaccines, tried, tested, and proven. People are rejecting these vaccines. Nobody is talking about forcing some experimental drug on people, and stamping out of anti-vax nonsense is not going to lead to that. As a macro concept, the slippery slope is a fallacy.

You're going too abstract. Do you agree that it's a possibility, in light of what we know of the existence of mediatic propaganda and increasing population control? It may not have a precedent yet, but it's a possibility.

Take GMOs for example. "Oh, those are fine" the powers will tell us. Meantime in Europe they are banned.

This is rapidly veering into conspiracy theorist territory. GMOs *are* fine, perfectly healthy as far as eating goes (what they can do to other crops is a possibility, the real controversy about GMOs is more a dispute about farmers and intellectual property and has little to do with public health). Concerns of population control are specious at best.


this. like vaccines there is zero proof that GMOs are unsafe (in fact they are generally better, and better for you than "natural" food (which has been genetically modified over time anyway)), and large amounts of verifiable evidence that they are safe.

they only problem i have with GMOs, is IP trolling, laws.