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fatslob-:O said:

Those spin-off's had the luxury of the Pokemon brand power ... 

I do realize that there hasn't been one mainline Pokemon game on a console but that doesn't nullify my point. Some of those console spin-offs actually had a lot of effort put into them yet it ended up been nothing but fruitless or a futile attempt ... 


What is this argument trying to prove?



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Clyde32 said:


What is this argument trying to prove?

Nothing really as it's off-topic but it's partly my fault for taking on Samus Aran's lead ... 



Nuvendil said:
outlawauron said:
spemanig said:
outlawauron said:

It's pretty easy to make a judgment at a glance. Monolith Soft is a B-tier developer. Square and Level 5 (referring to DQ) are really the only JRPG developers with enough time and money to put the time in to make whatever they want.

Yeah, but last generation, Monolith Soft did more with less than both of them. Monolith Soft has more than proved themselves equal and even superior to the competition.

They've made one great game ever, a couple of good games, and some meh games. Not sure how you can make that strecth unless you're giving them credit for all partnerships (Brawl, SRT, etc).

They fit right in with Tri-Ace, Namco, and From Software.

As EA, Activision, and Square themselves have demonstrated, all the money in the world can't fix stupid.  You can be a "AAA" studio and make a game that might as well be B tier for all the shiny paint you lavish on it.  Monolith Soft has the money and the resources now that they didn't have during the partnership with Namco; they are a part of Nintendo now, a first party developer.  And Nintendo has demonstrated a willingness to give them the resources needed, as seen with Xenoblade and with Xenoblade X so far.  These are big games by anyone's measure.  And if having a less-than-perfect track record makes you an inferior studio B-tier studio, then that should make Monolith Soft and Square an even match cause Square has put out some stinkers over the years; I mean, last gen they put out three entries in 13 despite declining approval from all sides and put out the orignal 14, which was an outright shameful display.  So yeah, just tossing Square the win is very premature.   

Not sure how you can say this when the strengths and weaknesses are almost exactly the same as previous games.

The EA/Activision comparison holds no water, because they rush games out and have yearly sequels of its major franchises. Square takes as much time as they want and have no qualms over delays. 

And if you read the original post, I never said you could just toss them the win. I said if you had to make a decision at first glance, it's not a reach to pick Square. That's all.



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tbone51 said:

Anywayzzz For Those Who Only Are Getting/Considering FFXV+XCX, Which Do You Think......

1. Will Have The Bigger World? (In Actually Traveling Land Size)

2. Will Have More A Depth Feel to It? (Talking World, as in Landscapes/Citys/etc)

3. Will Have The Better Combat?

4. Will Innovate better Gameplay?

5. Will Have the Better Story?

6. Will Take Up Most of Gamers time? (Replay value+Longevity)

7. Will Have The Better Enemy Designs? (pls note this isnt graphically, we all know FFXV wins [X1/PS4])

8. Will Have The Best SideQuest?

9.  Overall Better Game? FFXV/XCX......... Both, Who Cares!!!

10. Will You Get Day 1? (FFXV/XCX/Both!)


1. Xenoblade X. I know Xeno has actual fully explorable world and based on the original game and what monolith has said it should be huge. I am unsure about FFXV. From what i see it seems to draw alot from Dragon's dogma in terms of overworld, so, im expecting a nice world size, but not massive Xeno style.

2. Err... different questions in one. FFXV may have a more living world because i expect it to be smaller in size, but with that said, both have shown busy cities, but maybe FFXV a bit busier. As for vistas, given the original, Xenoblade. 

3. I'm confused as you separated combat and gameplay. I expect Xeno to have a more cerebral experience and i expect FFXV to be button mashy ala KH. So, personally xenoblade.

4. I'm going to consider overall gameplay here. I guess Xenoblade aswell from what we know. Theres gonna be gear customization, character customization, lots of side quests with meaningful rewards, exploration with rewards, etc. I know the Xenoblade formula is already optimised and works, but FFXV is still a mistery until we play it.

5. Xenoblade probably. Xeno games always have deep storylines, i dont expect X to disappoint. FF has always been hit or miss. So, it might b good, or it might be terrible. Since Nomura was involved i'm going to expect something decent.

6. Xenoblade X. Hundreads of hours ensue if you are a completionist.

7. Difficult to say. Both have good ones.

8. Both will probably not have sidequests of the quality of Fallout 3 and Skyrim. These games focus on delivering a better main narrative and the side quest usually receive less atention and are there to support the exploration. 

9. Xenoblade X, though the online mode worries me. Hopefully doesnt intrude on the single player. I expect FFXV to be decent.

10. I will buy both day one, aslong as there arent any nasty surprises. Its clear i'm more excited about Xeno cause i know what to expect and because the FF series is more volatile in terms of delivering quality installments.



tbone51 said:

SERIOUSLY ONLY Those who are getting both (or definitely considering it), i dont want crappy biased (as in 1 game is >>>>>>> then the other "Just Because") in here as comparison between the two are retarded when one wont consider even playing one of the games....

Anywayzzz For Those Who Only Are Getting/Considering FFXV+XCX, Which Do You Think......

1. Will Have The Bigger World? (In Actually Traveling Land Size)

X slightly bigger I think

2. Will Have More A Depth Feel to It? (Talking World, as in Landscapes/Citys/etc)

FFXV

3. Will Have The Better Combat?

If FFXV stays as it is (only MC playable and no waifu), definitely X

4. Will Innovate better Gameplay?

FFXV

5. Will Have the Better Story?

X

6. Will Take Up Most of Gamers time? (Replay value+Longevity)

Draw

7. Will Have The Better Enemy Designs? (pls note this isnt graphically, we all know FFXV wins [X1/PS4])

From what we know, FFXV

8. Will Have The Best SideQuest?

FFXV

9.  Overall Better Game? FFXV/XCX......... Both, Who Cares!!!

FFXV

10. Will You Get Day 1? (FFXV/XCX/Both!)

Both JP day one



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outlawauron said:
Nuvendil said:
outlawauron said:
spemanig said:
outlawauron said:

It's pretty easy to make a judgment at a glance. Monolith Soft is a B-tier developer. Square and Level 5 (referring to DQ) are really the only JRPG developers with enough time and money to put the time in to make whatever they want.

Yeah, but last generation, Monolith Soft did more with less than both of them. Monolith Soft has more than proved themselves equal and even superior to the competition.

They've made one great game ever, a couple of good games, and some meh games. Not sure how you can make that strecth unless you're giving them credit for all partnerships (Brawl, SRT, etc).

They fit right in with Tri-Ace, Namco, and From Software.

As EA, Activision, and Square themselves have demonstrated, all the money in the world can't fix stupid.  You can be a "AAA" studio and make a game that might as well be B tier for all the shiny paint you lavish on it.  Monolith Soft has the money and the resources now that they didn't have during the partnership with Namco; they are a part of Nintendo now, a first party developer.  And Nintendo has demonstrated a willingness to give them the resources needed, as seen with Xenoblade and with Xenoblade X so far.  These are big games by anyone's measure.  And if having a less-than-perfect track record makes you an inferior studio B-tier studio, then that should make Monolith Soft and Square an even match cause Square has put out some stinkers over the years; I mean, last gen they put out three entries in 13 despite declining approval from all sides and put out the orignal 14, which was an outright shameful display.  So yeah, just tossing Square the win is very premature.   

Not sure how you can say this when the strengths and weaknesses are almost exactly the same as previous games.

The EA/Activision comparison holds no water, because they rush games out and have yearly sequels of its major franchises. Square takes as much time as they want and have no qualms over delays. 

And if you read the original post, I never said you could just toss them the win. I said if you had to make a decision at first glance, it's not a reach to pick Square. That's all.

Ah, I thought you were saying that Square was the obvious choice; my apologiez.

The EA and Activision comparison was purely me naming wealthy devs who frequently screw up or produce something sub-par.  I could name other companies who burn up money and accomplish nothing special.

Also, Nintendo's willingness to give resources for the developments stage can be seen in the fact that Xenoblade is the only fully finished "Xeno" game; Xenogears was about 2/3 of a game with the third act cut all to pieces.  Xenosaga was a 6-part game cut into a trilogy with the entire second half cut to pieces to cram in at the end.  There's actually an article out there with an interview with Takahashi in it who mentions that he thought the same thing would happen with Xenoblade, but rather than cut resources and rush the game, Nintendo told Takahashi to finish his vision and supplied the resources and allowed for the time neeeded for Xenoblade to be finished properly. 



1. Will Have The Bigger World? Xenoblade

2. Will Have More A Depth Feel to It? Xenoblade

3. Will Have The Better Combat? Xenoblade

4. Will Innovate better Gameplay? FFXV

5. Will Have the Better Story? Xenoblade

6. Will Take Up Most of Gamers time? Xenoblade

7. Will Have The Better Enemy Designs? I would say xenoblade according to the trailers..

8. Will Have The Best SideQuest? Xenoblade

9. Overall Better Game? Xenoblade

10. Will You Get Day 1? Xenoblade, not sure about FF yet.. FFXIII ruined the series for me



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1. Will Have The Bigger World? (In Actually Traveling Land Size) - Xenoblade, and there will be a lot more to do in the world too.

2. Will Have More A Depth Feel to It? (Talking World, as in Landscapes/Citys/etc) - Xenoblade, FF games haven't really had much depth in a very long time, and FF15 looks fairly shallow so far. Xenoblade will most likely have FAR more depth to it.

3. Will Have The Better Combat? - Considering Xenoblade for Wii already has much better combat, both more complex and smoother in execution, the new Xenoblade should absolutely demolish FF in this category. 

4. Will Innovate better Gameplay? - Xenoblade, easily, it'll likely be a much tighter game with much much more to do.

5. Will Have the Better Story? - Considering Xenoblade is written by the same guy that did Xenogears, and FF stories haven't been good in over a decade, Xenoblade.

6. Will Take Up Most of Gamers time? (Replay value+Longevity) - Probably Xenoblade, I don't think FF15 will even be even half as long as the original Xenoblade. If it is, it will be due to a bunch of fluff like FF13, which was a 5-6 hour game with 30 hours of fluff.

7. Will Have The Better Enemy Designs? (pls note this isnt graphically, we all know FFXV wins [X1/PS4]) - No idea what this means if not graphically.

8. Will Have The Best SideQuest? - This one goes to Xenoblade easily, not even arguable. FF games are not known for their sidequests, Xenoblade is rich with them, there is stuff to do everywhere you go.

9.  Overall Better Game? FFXV/XCX......... Both, Who Cares!!! - I don't think Final Fantasy 15 will be very good based on the series track record since the PS2 days. Like FF13, it will be flashy, but boring. Xenoblade was one of the greatest RPGs of all time, and didn't do 15% of what the next Xenoblade is going to do.

10. Will You Get Day 1? (FFXV/XCX/Both!) - Xenoblade day 1, no plans for FF15.

 

All in all, FF15 is just the latest example of an FF game to be massively overhyped. We saw last generation what happened with FF13, and Xenoblade came out and delivered a far better experience. Xenoblade X has had MUCH more time and care put into its development, and much more love from the development staff as well. I fully expect FF15 to fall flat, and Xenoblade to surprise even those with the highest expectations.



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1. Will Have The Bigger World? (In Actually Traveling Land Size)
Final Fantasy XV

2. Will Have More A Depth Feel to It? (Talking World, as in Landscapes/Citys/etc)
Xenoblade Chronicles X

3. Will Have The Better Combat?
This one I give to both. It just depends on what style of fighting you like more considering both are different.

4. Will Innovate better Gameplay?
Final Fantasy XV

5. Will Have the Better Story?
Xenoblade Chronicles X (Due to Monolith Soft coming from Square Enix, previous final fantasy team members and they made Xenoblade Chronicles)

6. Will Take Up Most of Gamers time? (Replay value+Longevity)
Xenoblade Chronicles X

7. Will Have The Better Enemy Designs? (pls note this isnt graphically, we all know FFXV wins [X1/PS4])
Xenoblade Chronicles X

8. Will Have The Best SideQuest?
Depends. Probably going to give this to both.

9. Overall Better Game? FFXV/XCX......... Both, Who Cares!!!
Xenoblade Chronicles X

10. Will You Get Day 1? (FFXV/XCX/Both!)
Xenoblade Chronicles X

(Based on which ones I voted above)
Final Fantasy points from me = 4
Xenoblade Chronicles X points from me = 8



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1. Will Have The Bigger World? (In Actually Traveling Land Size)

Probably FF, the map looks huge.

2. Will Have More A Depth Feel to It? (Talking World, as in Landscapes/Citys/etc)

Probably FF again, but considering the the most recent games in the series, this could easily go to XCX.

3. Will Have The Better Combat?

Neither, it'll just be different for each game. I don't think the combat of either game looks particularly special or deep from what I've seen.

4. Will Innovate better Gameplay?

Difficult to say. From what I've seen, neither look particularly innovative in general gaming terms. Innovative for the genre maybe.

5. Will Have the Better Story?

FF. Going by previous games, FF has always been stronger on story.

6. Will Take Up Most of Gamers time? (Replay value+Longevity)

FF, it looks bigger to me.

7. Will Have The Better Enemy Designs? (pls note this isnt graphically, we all know FFXV wins [X1/PS4])

Probably XCX, for the simple reason most FF fans will know the design of 80-90% of the enemies already.

8. Will Have The Best SideQuest?

Tough one. The last couple of FF games had terribly boring side quests, but that is apparently the area they improved on with XIII-2. For now, I'm going XCX.

9. Overall Better Game? FFXV/XCX......... Both, Who Cares!!!

Time will tell.

10. Will You Get Day 1? (FFXV/XCX/Both!)

FFXV, yes. XCX requires me to buy a WiiU which may happen in the future. I may just get my brother to get it and play his copy.