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Hiku said:

1. Will Have The Bigger World? (In Actually Traveling Land Size)

Well, since all consoles use discs that fit 25GB per layer, but since Xenoblade will use lower level graphics compared to FFXV, it could potentially create a larger world if you look at it that way. (Also depends on how many CG movies are used in the games) But I think it'll just come down to design choice, so I'm not sure.
Traveling by car seems to be an important aspect of FFXV though, and I'm not sure how important traveling with a mech is in X, so if I were to guess, I'll say FFXV.

2. Will Have More A Depth Feel to It? (Talking World, as in Landscapes/Citys/etc)

I haven't played Xenoblade, only the other Xeno games, so it's hard for me to compare fully. But I would guess Xenoblade will, based on the last few FF games.

3. Will Have The Better Combat?

Again, because I haven't played Xenoblade, it would be hard to make a qualified guess. I didn't like the combat system in XIII and XIII-2 (even though it had improvements), but the combat system of XIII-3 seems excelent so far (started playing it recently), and is what it should have been from the start.
Xenogears and Xenosaga had a pretty straightforward combat system (except Xenosaga 2, but in a negative way), but what they did with the mecha battles in Gears and Xeno 3 was really good. And I hear you can manipulate time in Xenoblade. Final Fantasy XV's system looks rather impressive visually, and the teleportation seems fun. But I'm going to guess that X will be better in that department.

4. Will Innovate better Gameplay?

No clue.

5. Will Have the Better Story?

I trust Monolith more in this department than Square. So I'll say X.
Then again, FFXV has been in development for about 10 years, so it's hard to say. But when I see it, I get the FFXIII vibe from it.

6. Will Take Up Most of Gamers time? (Replay value+Longevity)

Without knowing what Xenoblade was like, I'll say the FF games tend to have more content.

7. Will Have The Better Enemy Designs? (pls note this isnt graphically, we all know FFXV wins [X1/PS4])

When it comes to monsters, no idea. When it comes to villains, X.

8. Will Have The Best SideQuest?

Can't recall many good side quests in the Xeno series, or the latest FF games for that matter. But in XIII-3 they're very good, because the whole game revolves around doing NPC side quests, like Majora's Mask. Soo I'll say FFXV here.

9.  Overall Better Game? FFXV/XCX.........

Xenoblade. (Unless FFXV also has the Majora's Mask/XIII-3 system.)

10. Will You Get Day 1?

Probably neither. But X is more likely than XV as a Day 1 purchase.

You probably need to play Xenoblade. I'd say the story isn't quite as good as Gears',  but it had amazing moments that just blew everything out of the water. Something I though Xenosaga lacked sans a few moments(e.g. Kos-Mos vs. T-elos, 3 ending, 1 ending). Plus I like the characters better in Chronicles. Just an opinion of mine. 



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Salnax said:
I am more of a Nintendo fan, but considering my love of certain Square/Square Enix titles, I am willing to give FF15 a shot.


5. Based on what I know about the upcoming and prior games, Final Fantasy 15 seems like its trying to mix elements of fantasy, sci-fi, and espionage stories. The emphasis seems to be on people playing out their lives with a grand political backdrop, sort of like FF12. Although this sounds promising, I am slightly worried about the mafia-like family that the protagonist is part of. Final Fantasy has taken many forms, often successfully, but no FF game to my knowledge has ever been rated higher than "Teen." A "realistic" story about crime, politics, and war might not be well told simply because Square Enix would either ignore the darkest themes.

XCX does not seem likely to be extremely dark, but what I know of the story doesn't require it. There are warring aliens, a doomed homeworld, a new place to explore, and something does not want you to succeed. That is classic Teen-rated JRPG fare, and is such because it works well. Plus, the prior Xeno games did a good job of weaving in characters and themes.

One last thing: character counts. I generally prefer JRPG parties to be a bit limited in size, no more than seven. Any more makes it hard to develop each character enough to make me bother caring about them, either from a gameplay or a story point of view. FF15 may only have Noctis fully playable, but the emphasis seems to be spread across maybe a dozen characters of note. I expect XCX to have about 6, a better number IMO.

Wanted to touch on this, because it's relatively recent. Type 0 HD is rated M, and all signs point to FF15 to also be rated M.

Also, they've only shown 4 characters available in a party so far. While there are other major characters, there's no reason to believe they're all available for your party yet.



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outlawauron said:

It's pretty easy to make a judgment at a glance. Monolith Soft is a B-tier developer. Square and Level 5 (referring to DQ) are really the only JRPG developers with enough time and money to put the time in to make whatever they want.


Yeah, but last generation, Monolith Soft did more with less than both of them. Monolith Soft has more than proved themselves equal and even superior to the competition.



spemanig said:
outlawauron said:

It's pretty easy to make a judgment at a glance. Monolith Soft is a B-tier developer. Square and Level 5 (referring to DQ) are really the only JRPG developers with enough time and money to put the time in to make whatever they want.

Yeah, but last generation, Monolith Soft did more with less than both of them. Monolith Soft has more than proved themselves equal and even superior to the competition.

They've made one great game ever, a couple of good games, and some meh games. Not sure how you can make that strecth unless you're giving them credit for all partnerships (Brawl, SRT, etc).

They fit right in with Tri-Ace, Namco, and From Software.



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outlawauron said:

It's pretty easy to make a judgment at a glance. Monolith Soft is a B-tier developer. Square and Level 5 (referring to DQ) are really the only JRPG developers with enough time and money to put the time in to make whatever they want.

I'm fairly certain Takahashi can take things wherever he wants.



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fatslob-:O said:
Samus Aran said:

Pokemon on the PS4/X1 would flop badly just like the previous Pokemon games on a Nintendo console ...


What? Thispart of your comment is all wrong bro? Previous Pokemon console games Flopped?

They are all spin off games and many actually have sold pretty well for just that. (Pokemon Stadium+2+Snap+etc).

There has never been 1 main series games on the Home Console, so your comment holds no water. 

 

Edit: pls dont count the spin off coliseum+Gale of Darkness as Main entrys cuz they are not (and weren't developed by GF)



Samus Aran said:

Pokémon Battle Revolution didn't feature any new Pokémon and was overall very mediocre. The game scored 53% on metacritic. It was lucky to still sell this much... You're really underestimating the power of Pokémon. 

Obviously the game would need better graphics, that's a very redundant thing to say. Besides, Pokémon has deeper mechanics, which you obviously don't seem to understand. Don't worry about it, neither do I... Try battling online, you'll get pummeled if you don't know how to breed the perfect Pokémon. 

And no, the combat still looks silly in most modern action RPGs. Collision detection was just one tiny example. Even when you make contact with a weapon, it doesn't look remotely realistic. 

Pokemon battle Revolution was indeed mediocre but it has the trademarks of a console game ... 

Graphics wasn't the ONLY thing I was vouching for. I asked Pokemon to be of console quality in general instead of straight up pushing the main series on the console. The Pokemon mechanics may seem deep but how where's the rest of the stuff such as more involved plot, relationships between trainer and pokemon or pokemon to pokemon, and the deeper lore ?

The combat in action RPGs will be more realistic than what turn based RPGs could ever hope to be ... 



outlawauron said:
spemanig said:
outlawauron said:

It's pretty easy to make a judgment at a glance. Monolith Soft is a B-tier developer. Square and Level 5 (referring to DQ) are really the only JRPG developers with enough time and money to put the time in to make whatever they want.

Yeah, but last generation, Monolith Soft did more with less than both of them. Monolith Soft has more than proved themselves equal and even superior to the competition.

They've made one great game ever, a couple of good games, and some meh games. Not sure how you can make that strecth unless you're giving them credit for all partnerships (Brawl, SRT, etc).

They fit right in with Tri-Ace, Namco, and From Software.

As EA, Activision, and Square themselves have demonstrated, all the money in the world can't fix stupid.  You can be a "AAA" studio and make a game that might as well be B tier for all the shiny paint you lavish on it.  Monolith Soft has the money and the resources now that they didn't have during the partnership with Namco; they are a part of Nintendo now, a first party developer.  And Nintendo has demonstrated a willingness to give them the resources needed, as seen with Xenoblade and with Xenoblade X so far.  These are big games by anyone's measure.  And if having a less-than-perfect track record makes you an inferior studio B-tier studio, then that should make Monolith Soft and Square an even match cause Square has put out some stinkers over the years; I mean, last gen they put out three entries in 13 despite declining approval from all sides and put out the orignal 14, which was an outright shameful display.  So yeah, just tossing Square the win is very premature.   



tbone51 said:


What? Thispart of your comment is all wrong bro? Previous Pokemon console games Flopped?

They are all spin off games and many actually have sold pretty well for just that. (Pokemon Stadium+2+Snap+etc).

There has never been 1 main series games on the Home Console, so your comment holds no water. 

 

Edit: pls dont count the spin off coliseum+Gale of Darkness as Main entrys cuz they are not (and weren't developed by GF)

Those spin-off's had the luxury of the Pokemon brand power ... 

I do realize that there hasn't been one mainline Pokemon game on a console but that doesn't nullify my point. Some of those console spin-offs actually had a lot of effort put into them yet it ended up been nothing but fruitless or a futile attempt ... 



fatslob-:O said:
tbone51 said:


What? Thispart of your comment is all wrong bro? Previous Pokemon console games Flopped?

They are all spin off games and many actually have sold pretty well for just that. (Pokemon Stadium+2+Snap+etc).

There has never been 1 main series games on the Home Console, so your comment holds no water. 

 

Edit: pls dont count the spin off coliseum+Gale of Darkness as Main entrys cuz they are not (and weren't developed by GF)

Those spin-off's had the luxury of the Pokemon brand power ... 

I do realize that there hasn't been one mainline Pokemon game on a console but that doesn't nullify my point. Some of those console spin-offs actually had a lot of effort put into them yet it ended up been nothing but fruitless or a futile attempt ... 

No not at all, especially for me as a huge pokemon fan that played many of those games i highly disagree with this and im sure many others would too. Srry.

Dont believe me, make a thread on it and see^ :)