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Will they?

Yes, no doubt about it. 214 35.73%
 
Yes, but only if Sony goes bankrupt. 40 6.68%
 
Yes, but only if they mak... 7 1.17%
 
I don't know. 53 8.85%
 
I doubt it; but there's ... 128 21.37%
 
I doubt it; Nintendo's glory is long gone. 101 16.86%
 
I don't wanna answer. 8 1.34%
 
I want to see the results. 48 8.01%
 
Total:599
Mr Khan said:
FATALITY said:
KLXVER said:
FATALITY said:
mii-gamer said:
Only when they get their shit together and buy Sony


lol

nintendo cant buy 10% of sony let alone buy sony


Buying Sony at this point would be the worst thing any company could do...



Instead of spammy reaction GIFs, why not present something of substance?

First, under current market capitalization, Sony is in danger of a buyout. Sony's market cap is $20 billion right now, which is about 3x what Nintendo has in cash, though theoretically if Nintendo wanted to, they could over-leverage themselves and buy it out.

Secondly, Sony as a corporation is a hot mess right now. PlayStation and their life insurance division are all they have that's worth a damn, especially as Sony Pictures unravels now in the wake of the hack. Buying Sony would, indeed, be a terrible idea unless the buyer just wanted to liquidate everything except life insurance and the PS division, and that wouldn't be worth the asking price (especially as the market cap would rise as soon as it was clear somebody wanted to buy)


lol 

nintendo could sell everything they have and they would not have money to buy 10 % of sony

sony is in danger of a buyout? ha ha ha ha ha ha where did you get that from ha ha ha

''especially as Sony Pictures unravels now in the wake of the hack'' ha ha ha ha oh god they were hacked once and u are trying to make it like sony pictures is doomed, forgeting the rights of spiderman, 007.

and i wont even talk about sony music

sony worth $148 B

nintendo $15 B

lol



”The environment where PlayStation wins is best for this industry” (Jack Tretton, 2009)

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FATALITY said:
Mr Khan said:
FATALITY said:



Instead of spammy reaction GIFs, why not present something of substance?

First, under current market capitalization, Sony is in danger of a buyout. Sony's market cap is $20 billion right now, which is about 3x what Nintendo has in cash, though theoretically if Nintendo wanted to, they could over-leverage themselves and buy it out.

Secondly, Sony as a corporation is a hot mess right now. PlayStation and their life insurance division are all they have that's worth a damn, especially as Sony Pictures unravels now in the wake of the hack. Buying Sony would, indeed, be a terrible idea unless the buyer just wanted to liquidate everything except life insurance and the PS division, and that wouldn't be worth the asking price (especially as the market cap would rise as soon as it was clear somebody wanted to buy)


lol 

nintendo could sell everything they have and they would not have money to buy 10 % of sony

sony is in danger of a buyout? ha ha ha ha ha ha where did you get that from ha ha ha

Well, they would be in danger of one if Japan's corporate governance structure wasn't as locked-down as it is. But i'll let this lie since you don't seem interested in accepting outside input.



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Mr Khan said:
FATALITY said:
Mr Khan said:
FATALITY said:


lol 

nintendo could sell everything they have and they would not have money to buy 10 % of sony

sony is in danger of a buyout? ha ha ha ha ha ha where did you get that from ha ha ha

Well, they would be in danger of one if Japan's corporate governance structure wasn't as locked-down as it is. But i'll let this lie since you don't seem interested in accepting outside input.

???? they are in danger or not?



”The environment where PlayStation wins is best for this industry” (Jack Tretton, 2009)

FATALITY said:
Mr Khan said:
FATALITY said:
Mr Khan said:
FATALITY said:


lol 

nintendo could sell everything they have and they would not have money to buy 10 % of sony

sony is in danger of a buyout? ha ha ha ha ha ha where did you get that from ha ha ha

Well, they would be in danger of one if Japan's corporate governance structure wasn't as locked-down as it is. But i'll let this lie since you don't seem interested in accepting outside input.

???? they are in danger or not?

They are a large company with some very strong assets, buried under a mountain of liabilities both fiscal and metaphorical. In the West, this would be a prime opportunity for "creative destruction", e.g. somebody buying them out, liquidating the dead weight, and focusing on the strong suits. Japan has several safeguards in place to prevent takeovers, however.

Nobody's seriously suggesting that Sony will be bought out, but the company is not well by any definition, and this too needs to be acknowledged.



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

either they innovate again or they get third parties back with third parties exclusives and a good price for the console.



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Mr Khan said:
FATALITY said:
Mr Khan said:
FATALITY said:

???? they are in danger or not?

They are a large company with some very strong assets, buried under a mountain of liabilities both fiscal and metaphorical. In the West, this would be a prime opportunity for "creative destruction", e.g. somebody buying them out, liquidating the dead weight, and focusing on the strong suits. Japan has several safeguards in place to prevent takeovers, however.

Nobody's seriously suggesting that Sony will be bought out, but the company is not well by any definition, and this too needs to be acknowledged.


hey you did. :P

but anyway sony is not on red

they made over $1b in profit, i think only the tv and phone division are bleeding money. everything else is fine.

i dont even know why we are talking about this 

its off-topic.



”The environment where PlayStation wins is best for this industry” (Jack Tretton, 2009)

FATALITY said:
Mr Khan said:
FATALITY said:
Mr Khan said:
FATALITY said:

???? they are in danger or not?

They are a large company with some very strong assets, buried under a mountain of liabilities both fiscal and metaphorical. In the West, this would be a prime opportunity for "creative destruction", e.g. somebody buying them out, liquidating the dead weight, and focusing on the strong suits. Japan has several safeguards in place to prevent takeovers, however.

Nobody's seriously suggesting that Sony will be bought out, but the company is not well by any definition, and this too needs to be acknowledged.


hey you did. :P

but anyway sony is not on red

they made over $1b in profit, i think only the tv and phone division are bleeding money. everything else is fine.

i dont even know why we are talking about this 

its off-topic.


Honest question, when did sony post a profit of 1 billion? All I've ever seen is they post loss after loss. Also, wasn't so y, at their peak, worth 220 billion or so? Aren't they worth around 20 billion now?  I thought it was well known that sony has been bleeding money like no other for the last 10 years. The losses they posted in their last report was massive compared to their own projections, we're they not? I want sony to bounce back, I really do, but being blind to their reality isn't going to make it not true. Sony is, and has been, in huge trouble.



It can absolutely happen again. After GC, I would've said no, but then Wii came and changed everything. So anything can happen :).



Maybe, probably not tho. Mimicking Sony/Microsoft strategy, like many people are suggesting, likely won't make a difference. Simply doing what the competitors do isn't all of a sudden going to make PS/XB owners jump ship. It might help with 3rd parties porting games over but that doesn't mean consumers will buy such games.

Going for the casual/family/kids crowd likely won't work again unless it's truly a mind blowing and revolutionary leap in gaming. This crowd is content with simple, fun, pick up and play games on smart devices that cost a dollar or in many cases are free.

Nintendo in a way is stuck in the middle, the mainstream AAA hardcore crowd is happy on PS/XB and the casual/family crowd is content on iOS/Android devices. Instead of trying to fight this, Nintendo should embrace it and focus on their strengths.

Looking at Wii U sales, one might think that without one or both of these audiences that Nintendo can't have respectable hardware sales but I don't believe that. Look at 3DS, it will have sold roughly 50 million units by the end of the year. Lifetime sales for 3DS will likely be around 65 million with Wii U at 15 million or so, giving Nintendo a combined 80 million hardware sales this generation.

I feel that the best option for Nintendo going forward is to unify these devices. Release a seperate handheld and console with the same architecture, operation system, online infrastructure that can share a library. This will help Nintendo save money on R&D and they will be able to increase their software output. These devices could very likely sell 50-70 million combined which is plenty for Nintendo's 1st party games to sell strong numbers on.

One thing that is hurting Nintendo is the lose of the Wii Fit/Brain Training crowd. These games were huge sellers on Wii/DS and are seemingly dead. That's where Quality of Life comes into play. It has gotten extremely difficult to convince people to spend $299 on a console to play fitness games. One of Nintendo's QoL products should be an updated, rebranded, standalone Wii Fit like device. A $99 device that allows fun and simple ways to get in shape could be successful, maybe have a companion app on smart devices to track ur activity/diet when away from home.

Another device I think Nintendo should implement into QoL is an educational tablet for children. Things like the Leapfrog LeapPad and the Vtech InnoTab are successful devices that have educational software based on kids shows/movies and every major toy store has 1-2 isles dedicated to them. Releasing similar $49-99 educational tablets based on Nintendo ip could bring in some nice profits and could help familiarize young kids with Nintendo characters and make them want Nintendo's gaming hardware when they are a little older. Perhaps allow Amiibo support, which brings me to my next idea.

Continue to build and support Amiibo, it's initial launch seems to have been pretty successful. Keep pumping out new figurines, or cards like they previously mentioned, for every major 1st party release.

Also continue to build relations with indie developers in order to build up the eShop to the levels of the App Store or a play Store.

Rebuild the Virtual Console into a big deal again. VC was pretty big back on Wii but Nintendo has not done a very good job with it this generation, build it back up to be bigger and better than it was on Wii and allow an optional subscription service for it. Something like $50/year gets u unlimited access to the VC, this gives consumers 100's of games for a low yearly fee and Nintendo a strong source or revenue.

So while Nintendo likely won't sell the most hardware, they don't really need to. Sell the dedicated gaming hardware to the 50-70 million gamers that play Nintendo consoles while pumping out a strong software lineup and bring in extra profits from Amiibo, QoL, Virtual Console among others. As long as Nintendo is making profits and has a big enough user base for their ip to sell strong numbers than there is no need for them to be first.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

FATALITY said:


lol 

nintendo could sell everything they have and they would not have money to buy 10 % of sony

sony is in danger of a buyout? ha ha ha ha ha ha where did you get that from ha ha ha

''especially as Sony Pictures unravels now in the wake of the hack'' ha ha ha ha oh god they were hacked once and u are trying to make it like sony pictures is doomed, forgeting the rights of spiderman, 007.

and i wont even talk about sony music

sony worth $148 B

nintendo $15 B

lol

What are you talking about? Sony's market cap is $22.51bn. Nintendo has $10.5bn in available cash so they could technically buy 40-50% of Sony. Of course nobody wants to buy Sony cause of their awful situation. Even long term investors are leaving. 

I will agree with you though that Sony pictures is quite profitable. 



    

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