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It annoys me when people treat NA like the only territory. US is hands down the biggest territory, other territories are big enough to offset it's salesbpretty easily.



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pokoko said:
Insidb said:

When you look at the Mason-Dixon/Red State-Blue State dichotomy, they're actually pretty spot-on about us. My family is primarily based in TN and NY, and each more or less fits the mold for the region (even despite my northern half being very religious and conservative). I've been to about 30 states, and the trends tend to bear themselves out to closely approximate the stereotypes. Having spent half of my life in NYC, I can attest that most Europeans I've met tend to think more alike to city residents than almost any other region of the US.

I hope that clarified things a bit.

Sorry, but I'm gonna have to call bullshit on that.  Even within one state, the culture can vary greatly.  Look at Texas or North Carolina or Florida.  For instance, Raleigh is far more educated than New York.

It's not universal, but the trends do demographically persist. I never said that it's an absolute or that an entire state's populace conforms to the trend, but there are reasons that many states reflect specific patters with political leanings, educational performance (and curriculum), religious zeal, etc. Plenty of states have a metropolitan city that is more reflective of a global city like NYC, but most of those cities are more reflective of the general populace of the state. My sister lives in Charlottesville, VA, which is a more metropolitan city, but the residents predominantly reflect the average Virginian. Your point is well-taken, and NY is a prime example of where our ideas merge; mid-Long Island, Staten Island, and Westchester are conservative bulwarks all in very close proximity to Brooklyn, Queens, eastern LI, and Manhattan, which are predominantly liberal and make up most of the population. If you want to argue that the red-state south is more progressive than the growing northeastern and western blue states or that their political leanings are not reflective of the majority of their inhabitants, I personally have to disagree and will lean on personal experiences and poll data to reinforce that opinion. 

Edit: I understand that part of this is an opinion (hence, clearly stated so), but too many Americans have rose-colored glasses on.



FentonCrackshell said:
Ask Microsoft execs if they think the rest of the world is irrelevant. How's this even an argument? Oh yeah... 'Murka!!!

Amazing.



outlawauron said:
Insidb said:
pokoko said:
Insidb said:

I'm not exactly sure what you're asking, but Europeans tend to be better-informed of us than we of them. Working heavily in their favor is the ability to travel easily from nation to nation, whereas the US is basically made up of state nations. I have noticed that Europeans view us as a peculiar duality: the progressive, liberal, American Dream, NYC America vs. the dirty south, warmongering, backwards, bible-thumping Muricuh. Regardless, almost all Eurpoeans I know or work with are very present to what goes on in the US, while many of my compatriots back home know far little beyond the Eiffel Tower and the Colosseum.

I'm kind of confused by your post.  You're saying that Europeans are well informed about the US but then you say that most of them see a massive country with a large amount of diversity as being divided solely between two silly stereotypes?  Maybe I'm reading something incorrectly.  I'm sure most intelligent Europeans know better than that.

When you look at the Mason-Dixon/Red State-Blue State dichotomy, they're actually pretty spot-on about us. My family is primarily based in TN and NY, and each more or less fits the mold for the region (even despite my northern half being very religious and conservative). I've been to about 30 states, and the trends tend to bear themselves out to closely approximate the stereotypes. Having spent half of my life in NYC, I can attest that most Europeans I've met tend to think more alike to city residents than almost any other region of the US.

I hope that clarified things a bit.

I find this post to be more ignorant than the OP.

You're obviously allowed to take it however you want, but I essentially listed the personal experiences/observations that have taught me about the people of my country. It's not what I feel about the sitaution; I've just traveled throughout most of America, lived most of my life in the most international city in the world, lived part time in Europe, and have many friends from all over the globe. I would hardly call that being ill- or mis-informed, most expecially ignorant.



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Insidb said:
outlawauron said:

I find this post to be more ignorant than the OP.

You're obviously allowed to take it however you want, but I essentially listed the personal experiences/observations that have taught me about the people of my country. It's not what I feel about the sitaution; I've just traveled throughout most of America, lived most of my life in the most international city in the world, lived part time in Europe, and have many friends from all over the globe. I would hardly call that being ill- or mis-informed, most expecially ignorant.

But that's why it's ignorant. You're taking your anecdotes and applying it to millions of unique people. While people may fall into groups, it's lazy and disingenious to say that everyone just fits the stereotype.



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cfin2987@gmail.com said:
Barkley said:
Xbox taking the US is all that matters. Rest of the world is irrelevant.

MURICA!!!!!!


Aren't people being sarcastic when they say "MUrica". It was started as a way to mock people from the US in a hickish, illiterate way. I'm just curious. Or do people actually spell the continent incorrectly with pride?

You are absolutely right..  Most Americans dont get it though and thinks that we are just celebrating them. 



brute said:
You guys are attacking him way to quick, he makes some good points in that U.S does spend the most on games. PS3 outsold 360, yet 360 beat it in software sales, and you know why? Because it dominated it in the U.S, also look at the original Xbox's attach rate, it was amazing.

Sure U.S doesn't equal the world, but it is the most important market by far, and people that say the other countries spend just as much as U.S are kidding themselves. Check the other big markets like Germany,France,Italy,Spain,Japan, U.K(not 100% sure on this as it is very similar to U.S) and you'll see that there software sales are much less than U.S in attach rate to consoles sold.

If you were to ask any of the big 3 if they would rather sell 40 million consoles in the U.S, or 40 million in the R.O.W they would choose U.S.

No its not.

For instance, GTA V sold best in Europe

Pokemon sold best in Japan.

Why the hell would Nintendo want 40 million in US, if their they didn't buy the most of pokemon for instance.

Biggest single market size is not the same thing as more important, especially when you consider market preference.

Or are you going to tell me Fifa sells best in the states?

No, regions have preferences, and prefrences alone make it impossible to cater to one region alone and have variety.

So no console company would want 40 million US over 40 mill R.O.W, Just because XB1 has been forced to focus on US and UK, doesn't mean its the only one they want, it is because they don't have a choice.



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outlawauron said:
Insidb said:
outlawauron said:

I find this post to be more ignorant than the OP.

You're obviously allowed to take it however you want, but I essentially listed the personal experiences/observations that have taught me about the people of my country. It's not what I feel about the sitaution; I've just traveled throughout most of America, lived most of my life in the most international city in the world, lived part time in Europe, and have many friends from all over the globe. I would hardly call that being ill- or mis-informed, most expecially ignorant.

But that's why it's ignorant. You're taking your anecdotes and applying it to millions of unique people. While people may fall into groups, it's lazy and disingenious to say that everyone just fits the stereotype.

This is exactly why I mentioned the breadth of my experiences, so you would see that it's a wide swath of observations that constructed my perspective. Going beyond that, there are many, many polls available that independently bear out the great culture divide in the US, as well as the homogeneous demographics of many states. To address your response, I never said that "everyone just fits the stereotype." I said, "the trends tend to bear themselves out to closely approximate the stereotypes, " which inherently indicates that the data is aggregated. If that's your perception, of course I appear ignorant, but the perception is not drawn from anything actually said in my statement. I'm not sure that we actually disagree, because something appears lost in translation.



Well America is the most country to be successful in but its silly to think that being #1 is America is more important than being first in the rest of the world.



    

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