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DonFerrari on 17 November 2014

Just means that they shipped less than 10M and that giving any real date would damper the effect of the PR. They will probably cross shipped on holidays end and sell around 9.50M



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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DonFerrari on 17 November 2014
kowenicki said:
GribbleGrunger said:
I love the fact that one company gives us a definite figure and some people question it but another company gives us ambiguous figures and the same people take the most optimistic estimate they can. Brilliant.

Who has questiond the 13.5m? and where have those very same people given best estimates here?

You cant question the 13.5m, its published in accounts...

Name names.  We need to expose these people.

I would bet he is talking about the 10M sold through that ioi said was untrustworthy and some people agreed. For people changing discourses I'll wait gribble.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari on 17 November 2014
greenmedic88 said:
It probably means they expect to post 10 million sold in their next financial report.


To dreadfull.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DerNebel on 17 November 2014
kowenicki said:
DonFerrari said:

I would bet he is talking about the 10M sold through that ioi said was untrustworthy and some people agreed. For people changing discourses I'll wait gribble.

This is about shipments.  

No, this is about Sony telling people that they've sold through 10 million PS4s, which some people just refused to believe, but those same people take "we'll soon have shipped 10 million units, lol" from MS as a confirmation that they are basically at the edge of 10 million units at this point, while this, in true MS fashion, sounds like pure PR spin once again.

One is as clear and open as possible, while the other is ambiguous and can be interpreted in a myriad of ways.



epicurean on 17 November 2014
kowenicki said:
DerNebel said:
kowenicki said:
DonFerrari said:

I would bet he is talking about the 10M sold through that ioi said was untrustworthy and some people agreed. For people changing discourses I'll wait gribble.

This is about shipments.  

No, this is about Sony telling people that they've sold through 10 million PS4s, which some people just refused to believe, but those same people take "we'll soon have shipped 10 million units, lol" from MS as a confirmation that they are basically at the edge of 10 million units at this point, while this, in true MS fashion, sounds like pure PR spin once again.

One is as clear and open as possible, while the other is ambiguous and can be interpreted in a myriad of ways.

Who didnt belive it?  They said it, why wouldnt someone believe it?  I belive they sold 10m and I believe MS have (by now) shipped 10m.

Can you define "pure PR spin" in this context.  What would you say, in your educated and informed opinion, the shipments are?

If you have no evidence to the contrary then you should always believe what is said by any of the companies until you can prove otherwise, or else you risk sounding as bad as the people you are having a go at.

 

ioi said he didn't believe it.  Sorry I don't have the link, but basically said it was just a guess and had no reason to believe his numbers weren't more accurate.  I was honestly stunned.



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GribbleGrunger on 17 November 2014

Luckily, it appears as if I would only have to explain it to the people who are doing it, so I don't feel the need to when other people know exactly what I mean.



 

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BMaker11 on 17 November 2014
kowenicki said:
DerNebel said:
kowenicki said:
DonFerrari said:

I would bet he is talking about the 10M sold through that ioi said was untrustworthy and some people agreed. For people changing discourses I'll wait gribble.

This is about shipments.  

No, this is about Sony telling people that they've sold through 10 million PS4s, which some people just refused to believe, but those same people take "we'll soon have shipped 10 million units, lol" from MS as a confirmation that they are basically at the edge of 10 million units at this point, while this, in true MS fashion, sounds like pure PR spin once again.

One is as clear and open as possible, while the other is ambiguous and can be interpreted in a myriad of ways.

#1 Who didnt belive it?  They said it, why wouldnt someone believe it?  I belive they sold 10m and I believe MS have (by now) shipped 10m.

#2 Can you define "pure PR spin" in this context.  What would you say, in your educated and informed opinion, the shipments are?

If you have no evidence to the contrary then you should always believe what is said by any of the companies until you can prove otherwise, or else you risk sounding as bad as the people you are having a go at.

 

#1 ioi for starters. When VGC wasn't updated after the 10M announcement and people asked why, ioi pretty much said "I don't know where the numbers come from, and I'm not going to trust just one source" and people on here followed suit.

#2 I don't know what the shipments are, myself, but don't you think it's odd that the shipments went from 7.4M at the end of September to "near 10M" 5 weeks later? On a console that barely moved 2 million throughout the year (January to August)...moving over 2 million in October (which is still a slower month of the year)? You think that "near 10M" has nothing to do with bumping production up for the holidays (holidays always gives a boost in sales) in conjunction with a price cut and aggressive bundling (also helps boost sales) and then using those inflated figures to make things look "good" when they knew they were about to lose the NPD? That sounds like spin, to me. And it worked, because people here are really thinking that XBone is near or above 9M sold, when we have NPD, Chart Track, Media Create, etc. when added up, show that VGC is pretty close to what XBone has sold LTD



GribbleGrunger on 17 November 2014
kowenicki said:
GribbleGrunger said:
Luckily, it appears as I would only have to explain it to the people who are doing it, so I don't feel the need to when other people know exactly what I mean.

So you meant ioi. Well he isnt in here saying anything about the 10m shipped statment.  So I am a little confused by what you said in your original post. 

I guess the other posts made above are just very convenient for you as that clearly isnt what you meant at all. 

I've got to watch you haven't I. No, I didn't mean ioi at all. I was talking about those that agreed with ioi quite readily, or at least their interpretation that he was suggesting Sony wasn't being entirely truthful. They jumped on it so hard, after reading through the entire thread I was left stunned by the way people were grabbing so desperately to the idea. And here we are with MS, a company that puts out a vague shipment number just before NPD and deliberately tweets a misleading message. Oh, yes, yes, the link was there ... Of course he didn't put shipped, he had limited letters because of twitter. But did all the sites I went to that took a screengrab of that tweet mention the link and what it said? You guess.

MS knew that would happen and it worked (for some).



 

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Sharpryno on 17 November 2014

They had 7.5 million shipped by the end of September.

Another 2 million shipped since then is not unbelievable by any means.



BMaker11 on 17 November 2014
kowenicki said:
BMaker11 said:
kowenicki said:
 

#1 Who didnt belive it?  They said it, why wouldnt someone believe it?  I belive they sold 10m and I believe MS have (by now) shipped 10m.

#2 Can you define "pure PR spin" in this context.  What would you say, in your educated and informed opinion, the shipments are?

If you have no evidence to the contrary then you should always believe what is said by any of the companies until you can prove otherwise, or else you risk sounding as bad as the people you are having a go at.

 

#1 ioi for starters. When VGC wasn't updated after the 10M announcement and people asked why, ioi pretty much said "I don't know where the numbers come from, and I'm not going to trust just one source" and people on here followed suit.

#2 I don't know what the shipments are, myself, but don't you think it's odd that the shipments went from 7.4M at the end of September to "near 10M" 5 weeks later? On a console that barely moved 2 million throughout the year...moving over 2 million in October (which is still a slower month of the year)? You think that "near 10M" has nothing to do with bumping production up for the holidays (holidays always gives a boost in sales) in conjunction with a price cut and aggressive bundling (also helps boost sales) and then using those inflated figures to make things look "good" when they knew they were about to lose the NPD? That sounds like spin, to me. And it worked, because people here are really thinking that XBone is near or above 9M sold, when we have NPD, Chart Track, Media Create, etc. when added up, show that VGC is pretty close to what XBone has sold LTD


Who else?  He said "those same people are in here making high estimates based on the 10m".  Where is ioi in this thread?

That's how it's gonna be, huh? You want specific names and specific posts? You're gonna ignore the general mentality on the forum that the 10M announcement wasn't trusted...because I can't find specific posts from 3 months back? That's just cognitive dissonance to make it seem like I, Gribble, and a few others just made that up. Kinda like a lot of Xbox fans on this site who swear that 360 owners didn't brag about better resolution, framerate, textures, etc last gen over the PS3 (lemme guess, "who? who were these people?", right?). Because I just imagined that for 7 years, just how I imagined people disagreeing with the 10M PS4s sold.

Whatever