Sexual discrimination is just as wrong and in most cases illegal. so call it what you want to call it, either way it's totally wrong.

Its illegal for businesses and whatnot. To my knowledge their are no laws on personal discrimination as long as you keep your actions below hate crime. If you honestly claim that you treat women exactly the same way you treat men, I can only assume you are lying. When I'm around my guy friends, I'm more likely to make innapropriate jokes or talk about sports or play sports. When I'm around my girl friends, I probably wouldn't be doing most of those things. Is that discrimination? Well yeah...does that make it wrong? I don't think so.

Also, I would like to point out, that I, as a straight male, only really hit on women. Should I start hitting on men to avoid that horrible, horrible discrimination?

The problem is when feminists start attacking things like someone saying "hello" to them. That is just ridiculous. We don't need social pressure to make us more impersonal... We don't need to protect women to this extent (and who exactly is here to protect the men from people who say "hello" to them on the street? Discrimination I say!)

I think most people are fine with equality (to a point), but some of these complaints are just ridiculous, and sensationalistly labeling it as "harassment" doesn't help your argument, it just makes people think you are being ridiculous.

Dear god, when did vgc become tumblr?

What is this, is it midterm break for social studies degrees or something?

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Why are people arguing over definitions here?

Harassment: "aggressive pressure or intimidation."

Note the word "aggressive". Note the absence of words such as "passive", "implied", or "perceived as".

Discrimination: "the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex."

This one's a little more difficult because of that pesky "or" in there. It can be unjust OR prejudicial. The implication being here that discrimination is not necessarily unjust. (For example, my comment about social studies degrees above was prejudiced but not unjust).

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These are the definitions. Let's actually make this thread a bit more interesting by moving the debate beyond semantics.

"We don't want to be treated like sexual objects"

how are you going to stop some men from treating women like sexual objects without restricting their freedoms?

do you not understand that this what the ultimate goal is?

to exchange freedom for safety?

"You don't need the state to do that, it can be done by educating men."

You are deluded because you are not using logic your reasoning is contingent on what makes you feel good

you do not seem to be able to acknowledge that people will choose to do things that harm others despite what they are taught

i have done this myself when i put my interests above those of someone else and i'm sure you and every single person here has done so

"Same idea is behind most civil rights movements."

Are you speaking of what happened with blacks, for example?

no that's a different situation altogether, what happened there is that they were basically given access to rights they should have had on the basis of being human

the same happened with women when feminism actually had a proper goal with regards to the emanicipation of women

feeling safe is not a right, it is a condition that each individual must take steps to secure for themselves

what i'll telling you is that the only steps available for you to feel safe at all times is to leverage the power of the state to strip away rights

and funny enough regardless of whether you acknowledge it or not this to an extent is the current goal of feminism

i've had the revelation recently that feminism and socialism are tied to each other

in that the goal of both is to give the government as much power over the people as possible in exchange for services that keep people safe, provide jobs etc

By your logic one must be equally sexually interested in both genders or else one is a bigot.

That's not a new idea, y'know.

Females across a lot of animal species are drawn to the alpha male. The strong guy, the rich guy, the confident guy, the powerful guy.

Big daddy state is the alphaest of all males.

It should say as an "atractive woman in tight clothes". I'm pretty sure not every women gets that treatment and probably wish they would.

I think some of them were creeps, but most were just saying hi. That is not harassement. Its beeing nice. Even if it has a sexual motivation, doesnt mean you can't be nice back.

Imagine if she was in a muslim country. The comments would be something like "whore, harlot, stone her to death". This just reiterates my opinion that women do not want equal treatment, they want special treatment. This is quite honestly ridiculous. I wouldnt mind if women went around and said nice things when i walk in the street. I most certainly wouldnt be offended and would probably be nice back.

no i didn't mean to imply that i came up with the idea

i'm just saying that i personally was ignorant of it until recently

That's the male perspective. Most of my girlefriends do get cat called and more, even ones that would be considered fairly average appearance wise. It happens to most women. Most women I know hate it, because they feel that it sexualizes them (imo rightly so). It also makes it much more difficult for women to date men or even have conversations with them, because our experiences inform us that most things men do are motivated by sex somewhere down the line and not genuine interest. Obviously this isn't always true, but even some of the more inoccous experiences such as the ones in the video do inform us negatively about men which is a lose-lose for everyone, men and women alike.

There is no such thing as a "right on the basis of being human". Those are simply social constructs. There isn't anything inherent about humans that procludes any of us from living in subjugation or in anarchy. All rights are man made. Feeling safe isn't a right, but neither is anything else regardless of what society tells you. We create rights, because social morality and norms guide us to. By the same token, not wanting to be sexualized, catcalled, paid less, discriminated against in male dominated jobs and educational paths, and more aren't rights, they're simply social norms that most women push for. Not by legislation (I'm counting all the hardcore feminists who try) but by changing social norms through social pressure and education.  I have met some of the crazy feminists who flip out when a guy holds the door open for them and that's nuts. Most women aren't looking for a reason to flip out over everything. We're just looking to morph social norms of gender behavior towards something more equitable.