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sundin13 said:
pepharytheworm said:

I am a feminist and sex is not a problem for me. When I have sex I know the girl wants to and is not just pressured because I kept asking her. I feel no guilt for finding women sexually attractive, the only guilt I have ever felt was for acting on that attraction in a way she didn't want. Why would I blame the woman for not liking my advances, I am the one in the wrong just like she would be in the wrong if I didn't like her advances. But why should sex beheld above trying  to treat half the human race better? 


How exactly do you make advances without being offensive? How do you hit on a girl without "sexually harassing" them? Just curious...


You need to learn this. And if you don't then you deserve to be alone, honestly, I know that sounds harsh, but that is the whole "survival of the fittest". 

We place so much emphasis on learning skills like learning to drive, learning history ... etc. etc. etc. but if you don't have the social skills to know when it's appropirate to approach and woman and how to approach a woman ... honestly, you simply don't have the life lessons you needed to learn as a guy. 

Less time with the video games and more time invested in things that actually matter might be a start. I don't honestly say that to be mean, but guys really need to understand this. 

Socialibility and the ability to speak to women is a learned skill.

Approaching a girl on the street, when you are standing on the sidewalk or walking in the opposite direction is a tough go. Approaching in a nightclub, bar, party, Starbucks/coffee shop, gym are all good. Women feel "safe" there. If you are going to approach a girl cold on the street your first responsibility as a guy is to show a woman you are A) safe/friendly B) someone worth talking to (ie: funny or engaging). 



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contestgamer said:

I'm a woman and yes it's harassment. The problem is that most of us always need to second guess the intentions of guys because of crap like this. In most cases guys are not nice for the sake of being nice, they're nice for the sake of getting in our pants..

It also makes you scared. I've had numerous guys say hello on the street and react negatively to me walking buy and ignoring them, to the point of following me for blocks saying incredibly crude and sometimes threatening things. It makes you worried for your safety, because as a woman you can't protect yourself. Most guys don't follow up that way, but enough do that any situation in which you're catcalled or even approached on the street makes you feel uncomfortable. IMO, don't approach a girl unless she makes eye contact.

 

"In most cases guys are not nice for the sake of being nice, they're nice for the sake of getting in our pants.."


yes i agree and i'd go as far as to say that from my perspective that sex is the main reason men interact with women

now i personally do not think that this is a bad thing to me it just is, but regardless of whether its bad or not the fact remains that this is how men are

 

"It also makes you scared..."

 

fair enough and i'm sorry that bad things happen

what i would suggest is that you equip yourself with a weapon such as pepper spray or a stun gun if you truly do fear for your safety

i do not believe that telling men not to initiate contact with women unless they receive signals first is going to work

unless we work towards creating legislation that restricts the freedoms of men in terms of interacting with women until women give the ok

to me that is the only way that will work, if men are punished for initiating contact with women who don't want it

 

human behavior does not always stay inside of the range that other people appreciate and that applies to all of us

sometimes men will do things that upset women and vice versa

it is how things work

but there can be intervention by the state we could have the state strip some of the freedoms of men away to ensure your safety as i mentioned above

you could propose this to those around you and see if you can gain support for this but yeah to me that is the only way



o_O.Q said:

"Everyday leaving the apartment is like walking into a battle ground for women in the city. "

man are victims of violent crimes on streets far more than women so please lets not go there

 

"they are all in essence trying to get laid and are sexualizing the girl walking down the street. "

lol i've had to ask this quite a lot, but what is wrong with being sexually attracted to a woman?


To your first point what sex is usually perpetuating these crimes? With that answer it's not hard to wonder why a woman might feel harassed from something like "Hi beautiful" any time a man approaches you especially in a non-ideal enviroment your risk has just gone up. 

Loius CK kinda sum it up in a humorous way

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDh4qk1Tl8k

To the second part there is nothing wrong with being sexually attracted to a woman. The problem only lies in the way you act on that attraction. Also sexualizing a person and being sexually attraced to a person are not the same thing.



It reminds me these girls in subway, they were english, i looked at them, they looked at me, and then they harassed me inviting me to take a drink, i couldnt say no because they were 4 and i was alone, so i followed her and they harassed me all the evening offering me drinks, then they left.

5 years later, the malaise is still there.


Or an other time, i was at mcdonalds, eating my mc chicken, then a girl asked me an information, then she left, then she came back to harass me saying crazy stuff like "hey my friend thinks you're cute, can you give your number ? :) " , they think i'm gonna give my number to stranger like that ? Crazy. So i gave them my number.



Predictions for end of 2014 HW sales:

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Lool, even I get from time to time someone saying something to me in real life on the streets and I'm not really that hot and also not so often on the streets^^

What's next? Going in a club filming herself and wondering why some guys try to have a conversation with her?



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misa said:

That guy walking beside her would make me nervous too, but most of the comments arent actual harrassment. Just very stupid comments of weird people you see in every big city.

........nope. I can't resist.

Hey, how's it goin', beautiful? God bless you, have a nice day!



pepharytheworm said:
o_O.Q said:

"Everyday leaving the apartment is like walking into a battle ground for women in the city. "

man are victims of violent crimes on streets far more than women so please lets not go there

 

"they are all in essence trying to get laid and are sexualizing the girl walking down the street. "

lol i've had to ask this quite a lot, but what is wrong with being sexually attracted to a woman?


To your first point what sex is usually perpetuating these crimes? With that answer it's not hard to wonder why a woman might feel harassed from something like "Hi beautiful" any time a man approaches you especially in a non-ideal enviroment your risk has just gone up. 

Loius CK kinda sum it up in a humorous way

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDh4qk1Tl8k

To the second part there is nothing wrong with being sexually attracted to a woman. The problem only lies in the way you act on that attraction. Also sexualizing a person and being sexually attraced to a person are not the same thing.

 

"To your first point what sex is usually perpetuating these crimes?"

men of course because men are more overtly aggressive and violent than women

 

"Loius CK kinda sum it up in a humorous way"

loius ck hates on men very often to gain the support of women

without actually analysing the evils of women

to me looking to someone like that for insight into real issues is a waste of time

 

from the video he basically says that women do men a grand favour by accepting their advances for relationships... 

the implication here to me is clear and that is that the value of women is higher than men... why?

he also says that there is no greater threat to women than men... well that is true... but alternatively which sex is called upon to defend the other?

do you not see the contradiction?

males are bad when their masculinity threatens women, however, it is still then expected that men throw their lives away for women...

 

anyway let me ask you one last thing we have loads of people like loius ck analysing just how evil men are for being aggressive, violent, sexist pigs 

however, can you honestly tell me of a comparable situation for women?

where is the analysis of the evil women perpetuate? or is it just that it is only men that are capable of evil?

 

what you have to keep in mind is that men and women do not exist in a bubble we are connected in a system

which means that men impact upon women and women upon men

nowadays the current situation is that we generally only hear about the negative impact of men and the positive of women and i personally find that sickening

guys like louis ck perpetuate this situation because they know they will gain the support of women and the men that feel guilty about their sexuality



Chevinator123 said:
Atafech said:
Male version : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75aX9mlipiY&list=UU-DUrA-h7-s_C57ECJ1BFPA

embeded for you

I'd harass dat



o_O.Q said:
contestgamer said:
This IS harassment. For anyone doubting whether the greetings count as sexual harassment, ask yourself this; How many of those guys also greet other guys on the street like that? You know the answer - none of them. That's what makes it sexual harassment, because them "being nice" is only a cover to hitting up conversation with a woman that did not make eye contact with them before.

 

" How many of those guys also greet other guys on the street like that? You know the answer - none of them. That's what makes it sexual harassment"

 

yeah i think we can say with certainty that these men wanted to have sex with that woman

however, trying to initiat contact with someone you're interested in having sex with is now harassment?

 

"because them "being nice" is only a cover"

that's true men men do behave in gregarious ways towards women with the intention of forming relationships with them, but how else would they form relationships?

 

this is what feminism is doing to men its actually making men such as yourself feel guilt for being sexually attracted to women

i'll just say that imo there's nothing wrong with being sexually attracted to women and acting on that desire

however, there are obviously boundaries that have to be respected until the woman you are pursuing allows you inside those boundaries

 

seeing posts like this make me wonder how people are ever going to have sex when these ideaologies get a stronger hold on society

and i do believe they will, although i suppose i have a clue to the answer already


Great post took the words right out of my mouth..



o_O.Q said:
pepharytheworm said:
o_O.Q said:

"Everyday leaving the apartment is like walking into a battle ground for women in the city. "

man are victims of violent crimes on streets far more than women so please lets not go there

 

"they are all in essence trying to get laid and are sexualizing the girl walking down the street. "

lol i've had to ask this quite a lot, but what is wrong with being sexually attracted to a woman?


To your first point what sex is usually perpetuating these crimes? With that answer it's not hard to wonder why a woman might feel harassed from something like "Hi beautiful" any time a man approaches you especially in a non-ideal enviroment your risk has just gone up. 

Loius CK kinda sum it up in a humorous way

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDh4qk1Tl8k

To the second part there is nothing wrong with being sexually attracted to a woman. The problem only lies in the way you act on that attraction. Also sexualizing a person and being sexually attraced to a person are not the same thing.

 

"To your first point what sex is usually perpetuating these crimes?"

men of course because men are more overtly aggressive and violent than women

 

"Loius CK kinda sum it up in a humorous way"

loius ck hates on men very often to gain the support of women

without actually analysing the evils of women

to me looking to someone like that for insight into real issues is a waste of time

 

from the video he basically says that women do men a grand favour by accepting their advances for relationships... 

the implication here to me is clear and that is that the value of women is higher than men... why?

he also says that there is no greater threat to women than men... well that is true... but alternatively which sex is called upon to defend the other?

do you not see the contradiction?

males are bad when their masculinity threatens women, however, it is still then expected that men throw their lives away for women...

 

anyway let me ask you one last thing we have loads of people like loius ck analysing just how evil men are for being aggressive, violent, sexist pigs 

however, can you honestly tell me of a comparable situation for women?

where is the analysis of the evil women perpetuate? or is it just that it is only men that are capable of evil?

 

Men do far more damage than women do. Yes, we women can do pretty horrible things on an individual level, but look at any statistic of the worst of the worse; murder, violence, rape, robbery, abandonment of family/offspring, etc and men far, far outnumber women as the preperators. That's why the focus should be on men, because they are the cause of most global brutality. Luckily this is slowly changing for the better as testosterone levels of men are dropping sharply in the west which will hopefuly contribute to change in male culture. For the record, there is nothing wrong with men as individuals. Many men take offense to what women say about the gender as a whole, but if the descriptions fit you then we're not talking about you at all.