By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Movies & TV - "10 Hours of Walking In NYC As a Woman "

champybh said:
As a Brooklynite myself I have many lady friends that have to deal with this on a regular basis in NYC. It's a real problem here (more so than other places i imagine). Everyday leaving the apartment is like walking into a battle ground for women in the city.

Those of you that are saying the guys in the video "are just being nice" are displaying a shocking lack of understanding in regards to subtext. While some are more aggressive to others, they are all in essence trying to get laid and are sexualizing the girl walking down the street.

Let's not play dumb here, we all know when it's appropriate to talk to someone. Perhaps there is some eye contact, maybe you are at a social setting that invites conversation, etc. With videos like this women are telling us men that they are not comfortable with this type of interaction. And you know what? We should all be able to respect that. No one is saying you can't say hi to someone. We're asking you to be aware of the situation

 

"Everyday leaving the apartment is like walking into a battle ground for women in the city. "

man are victims of violent crimes on streets far more than women so please lets not go there

 

"they are all in essence trying to get laid and are sexualizing the girl walking down the street. "

lol i've had to ask this quite a lot, but what is wrong with being sexually attracted to a woman?

 

"Let's not play dumb here, we all know when it's appropriate to talk to someone. Perhaps there is some eye contact, maybe you are at a social setting that invites conversation, etc. With videos like this women are telling us men that they are not comfortable with this type of interaction."

fair enough i agree with you

so i gather from this that your solution is that a man should only try to initiate contact when he sees a woman showing him interest?

that's not a bad suggestion for women it would definitely eradicate any instances of unwanted contact

and i personally do think that men need to stop feeding women with so much attention and focus on improving themselves more



Around the Network
o_O.Q said:

seeing posts like this make me wonder how people are ever going to have sex when these ideaologies get a stronger hold on society

and i do believe they will, although i suppose i have a clue to the answer already


I am a feminist and sex is not a problem for me. When I have sex I know the girl wants to and is not just pressured because I kept asking her. I feel no guilt for finding women sexually attractive, the only guilt I have ever felt was for acting on that attraction in a way she didn't want. Why would I blame the woman for not liking my advances, I am the one in the wrong just like she would be in the wrong if I didn't like her advances. But why should sex beheld above trying  to treat half the human race better? 



Man, I am glad I live in a part of the country where "how are you" and "have a nice day" are pretty much normal conversation and not seen as fucking harassment LOL.

Never stepping a foot into NYC.



LudicrousSpeed said:
Man, I am glad I live in a part of the country where "how are you" and "have a nice day" are pretty much normal conversation and not seen as fucking harassment LOL.

Never stepping a foot into NYC.


Yeah some of those examples were inocuous. Though to be fair guys ... some of those are weird. 

Like saying "Mmmmm" when a girl walks past is not the same as saying "have a nice day" in a friendly manner.

If you're a guy and you do that, seriously your mom should've slapped you upside the head when you were growing up a few more times. 



pepharytheworm said:
o_O.Q said:

seeing posts like this make me wonder how people are ever going to have sex when these ideaologies get a stronger hold on society

and i do believe they will, although i suppose i have a clue to the answer already


I am a feminist and sex is not a problem for me. When I have sex I know the girl wants to and is not just pressured because I kept asking her. I feel no guilt for finding women sexually attractive, the only guilt I have ever felt was for acting on that attraction in a way she didn't want. Why would I blame the woman for not liking my advances, I am the one in the wrong just like she would be in the wrong if I didn't like her advances. But why should sex beheld above trying  to treat half the human race better? 

 

"Why would I blame the woman for not liking my advances, I am the one in the wrong just like she would be in the wrong if I didn't like her advances"


well i personally don't think women should be shamed for not accepting advances

but i also don't think its fair to shame men who try to initiate contact with a woman unless as i said they cross certain boundaries

and i don't think i've said this before but i personally think that what the men did in the video was stupid and counterproductive

however, with the exception of the guy who followed her i wouldn't say they deserve to be shamed

 

" But why should sex beheld above trying  to treat half the human race better? "

 

you'll have to be more specific with what you are saying here

better in what way?



Around the Network
o_O.Q said:
contestgamer said:
This IS harassment. For anyone doubting whether the greetings count as sexual harassment, ask yourself this; How many of those guys also greet other guys on the street like that? You know the answer - none of them. That's what makes it sexual harassment, because them "being nice" is only a cover to hitting up conversation with a woman that did not make eye contact with them before.

 

" How many of those guys also greet other guys on the street like that? You know the answer - none of them. That's what makes it sexual harassment"

 

yeah i think we can say with certainty that these men wanted to have sex with that woman

however, trying to initiat contact with someone you're interested in having sex with is now harassment?

 

"because them "being nice" is only a cover"

that's true men men do behave in gregarious ways towards women with the intention of forming relationships with them, but how else would they form relationships?

 

this is what feminism is doing to men its actually making men such as yourself feel guilt for being sexually attracted to women

i'll just say that imo there's nothing wrong with being sexually attracted to women and acting on that desire

however, there are obviously boundaries that have to be respected until the woman you are pursuing allows you inside those boundaries

 

seeing posts like this make me wonder how people are ever going to have sex when these ideaologies get a stronger hold on society

and i do believe they will, although i suppose i have a clue to the answer already

I'm a woman and yes it's harassment. The problem is that most of us always need to second guess the intentions of guys because of crap like this. In most cases guys are not nice for the sake of being nice, they're nice for the sake of getting in our pants..

It also makes you scared. I've had numerous guys say hello on the street and react negatively to me walking buy and ignoring them, to the point of following me for blocks saying incredibly crude and sometimes threatening things. It makes you worried for your safety, because as a woman you can't protect yourself. Most guys don't follow up that way, but enough do that any situation in which you're catcalled or even approached on the street makes you feel uncomfortable. IMO, don't approach a girl unless she makes eye contact.



o_O.Q said:
champybh said:
As a Brooklynite myself I have many lady friends that have to deal with this on a regular basis in NYC. It's a real problem here (more so than other places i imagine). Everyday leaving the apartment is like walking into a battle ground for women in the city.

Those of you that are saying the guys in the video "are just being nice" are displaying a shocking lack of understanding in regards to subtext. While some are more aggressive to others, they are all in essence trying to get laid and are sexualizing the girl walking down the street.

Let's not play dumb here, we all know when it's appropriate to talk to someone. Perhaps there is some eye contact, maybe you are at a social setting that invites conversation, etc. With videos like this women are telling us men that they are not comfortable with this type of interaction. And you know what? We should all be able to respect that. No one is saying you can't say hi to someone. We're asking you to be aware of the situation

 

"Everyday leaving the apartment is like walking into a battle ground for women in the city. "

man are victims of violent crimes on streets far more than women so please lets not go there

 

"they are all in essence trying to get laid and are sexualizing the girl walking down the street. "

lol i've had to ask this quite a lot, but what is wrong with being sexually attracted to a woman?

 

"Let's not play dumb here, we all know when it's appropriate to talk to someone. Perhaps there is some eye contact, maybe you are at a social setting that invites conversation, etc. With videos like this women are telling us men that they are not comfortable with this type of interaction."

fair enough i agree with you

so i gather from this that your solution is that a man should only try to initiate contact when he sees a woman showing him interest?

that's not a bad suggestion for women it would definitely eradicate any instances of unwanted contact

and i personally do think that men need to stop feeding women with so much attention and focus on improving themselves more

Nothing wrong with being attracted - just keep it to yourself. We don't like to feel like pieces of meat everytime we walk outside.



Soundwave said:



And guys who cat call at passing women are *lame*. Approach with something better than that or don't even bother. Sorry fellas, step your game up.

A lot of these people are doing it for the response. I've seen this before where they just want to piss people off. Think of them as flamebait trolls on forums. They know what they're doing is not gonna get them what they want. But want to anger.



archer9234 said:
Soundwave said:



And guys who cat call at passing women are *lame*. Approach with something better than that or don't even bother. Sorry fellas, step your game up.

A lot of these people are doing it for the response. I've seen this before where they just want to piss people off. Think of them as flamebait trolls on forums. They know what they're doing is not gonna get them what they want. But want to anger.


I don't think so. I think these men just lack the modern social skills to be able to present themselves to women in any way. 

And it's compounded by the fact that the woman is walking away so they figure they only have 2-3 seconds to say something (anything). 

Honestly guys, unless you have some real game, approaching on the street just isn't a great way to go about it. 

At a nightclub, bar, party, the gym, hell even the coffee shop, library, class room ... feel free to approach. Those are "safe" environments for a woman, but in the middle of the street as she's trying to get to work or go to the gym ... how is she supposed to know you're not some serial killer or something? If you are going to approach *first* you have to immediately show that you are non-threatening and not a weirdo. 

Holding a door open for a woman or making a funny comment in line at Starbucks ... hey no problem. Saying "mmmm" or "hey girl" while coming up from the side of behind a woman ... that's a no-no guys. There's a difference here. And if you're going to say "wah, wah, how am I supposed to know" ... well maybe this is natural selection at play because if you don't have the social skills to know when it's a proper time to approach and how to approach, well then really you deserve to be single (that's harsh, but our animal brethern in the wild are not any better). 

That is on *you* as a guy and I can accept that as a guy. 



pepharytheworm said:

I am a feminist and sex is not a problem for me. When I have sex I know the girl wants to and is not just pressured because I kept asking her. I feel no guilt for finding women sexually attractive, the only guilt I have ever felt was for acting on that attraction in a way she didn't want. Why would I blame the woman for not liking my advances, I am the one in the wrong just like she would be in the wrong if I didn't like her advances. But why should sex beheld above trying  to treat half the human race better? 


How exactly do you make advances without being offensive? How do you hit on a girl without "sexually harassing" them? Just curious...