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Nem said:
Purple said:
Nem said:

Bayonetta is also a great representation of women.

Oh god. lol. If Bayonetta is a great representation of a woman, kill me now. It's a representation of the ideal woman a lonely Japanese man wants to have sex with. I don't think the character even pretends to be anything more.

On topic, I'm finding the game pretty average. I got sick of the dodge, spam and repeat mechanic a lot faster than I hoped I would. It all felt pretty shallow after 10 hours. Doubt I'll ever pop it back in again and certainly wouldn't ever pick up a third. A shame as I loved the Wonderful 101.

(Only played the second. Never played the first)


Here we go...

She is about as good representation of women as Nathan Drake is of men. A strong, intelligent person that loves her/his friends and with an objective (usually to save the world). The sex part is in your head. That is what upsets me about the whole discussion when a reviewer brings these things to the forefront. Its in your head, not on mine. I happen to see the good in people. Bayonetta is a dark heroine that loves her friend and saves the world. How is this a bad representation of women? The sexist way would say that women just go at each others throats whenever they can. More accurate? Perhaps, but its not what the game is representing.

Oh and btw... Bayonetta was created by a woman.


The sex part is in your head?  The game uses the word Climax about 15 times in the menus alone.  She poledances throughout the ending credits.  Her clothes come off as she attacks.  The debut trailer asks "do you want to touch me".

Now, you're free to have your own opinion on the sexuality.  If you think it's empowering than whatever.  But, you can't deny that the developers intentionally emphasized this aspect.



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Played through to the end of level 5 last night.

Much better game than the original, all the gripes I had playing the first have been dealt with: scarcity of crafting items, scarcity of shop points, world feels larger, easier to explore, more vibrant, more bombastic, better character designs, the whole thing is beautiful.

If you even slightly enjoyed the first, the second is a must have. I can see exactly why it got those perfect scores.



Nem said:


Here we go...

She is about as good representation of women as Nathan Drake is of men. A strong, intelligent person that loves her/his friends and with an objective (usually to save the world). The sex part is in your head. That is what upsets me about the whole discussion when a reviewer brings these things to the forefront. Its in your head, not on mine. I happen to see the good in people. Bayonetta is a dark heroine that loves her friend and saves the world. How is this a bad representation of women? The sexist way would say that women just go at each others throats whenever they can. More accurate? Perhaps, but its not what the game is representing.

Oh and btw... Bayonetta was created by a woman.

Here we go indeed...

The sex part is in my head? That would be because the camera is constantly staring at her crotch. How would you feel if most of the time the camera was staring at the massive bulge in Nathan Drake's pants? Would you feel that he's just in control of his sexuality? Or would you feel the director of the game is just being perverse because they are deriving sexual pleasure from the erection and feel their market would as well?

Perhaps we should applaud porn stars for owning their sexuality too? Many of them constantly moan about how badly they want it. Only of course they don't, they're being told what to say by a usually male director. Exactly as Bayonetta is.

She was not created by a woman. Nice try though. She is created by Kamiya who is the definition of a sexist pig. Talking about her like she has feelings and her own emotions is absurd because she is a video game character who is directed in her actions by a male to appeal to a male audience. And yes her model was worked on by a female... so what, females can be sexist too.

 



HintHRO said:

Bayonetta represents a confident woman who is proud of actually being a sexy lady and we ALL want to have sex with them. You prefer to have sex with a crying Lara Croft in the new Tomb Raider or the overmanly Ellie in The Last of Us?

I am hoping with all my soul this is supposed to be a sarcastic post referencing the awful representation of women in video games and the boneheaded way they are received by the gaming market.



excellent game. I am in the middle of the second game now. It plays so beautifully and isn't as soul crushing as the first one. It'll be a while before I'm a master of the games, but it is so much fun to play. I hope Nintendo and Platinum Games start working on a part 3.



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GameTrailers said it best:

"[Bayonetta] exudes confidence with a commanding authority. Sure, her clothes often disappear and there is the occasional close-up of her crotch or breasts, but it happens for a reason. Bayonetta is not only completely satisfied with who she is, she flaunts it in such an empowering way, using sexuality to humiliate her enemies and flipping the script on what we typically see. Every single moment, Bayonetta is in total control, never following the whims of anyone else or seeking approval."



Purple said:
Nem said:


Here we go...

She is about as good representation of women as Nathan Drake is of men. A strong, intelligent person that loves her/his friends and with an objective (usually to save the world). The sex part is in your head. That is what upsets me about the whole discussion when a reviewer brings these things to the forefront. Its in your head, not on mine. I happen to see the good in people. Bayonetta is a dark heroine that loves her friend and saves the world. How is this a bad representation of women? The sexist way would say that women just go at each others throats whenever they can. More accurate? Perhaps, but its not what the game is representing.

Oh and btw... Bayonetta was created by a woman.

Here we go indeed...

The sex part is in my head? That would be because the camera is constantly staring at her crotch. How would you feel if most of the time the camera was staring at the massive bulge in Nathan Drake's pants? Would you feel that he's just in control of his sexuality? Or would you feel the director of the game is just being perverse because they are deriving sexual pleasure from the erection and feel their market would as well?

Perhaps we should applaud porn stars for owning their sexuality too? Many of them constantly moan about how badly they want it. Only of course they don't, they're being told what to say by a usually male director. Exactly as Bayonetta is.

She was not created by a woman. Nice try though. She is created by Kamiya who is the definition of a sexist pig. Talking about her like she has feelings and her own emotions is absurd because she is a video game character who is directed in her actions by a male to appeal to a male audience. And yes her model was worked on by a female... so what, females can be sexist too.

 

Bayonetta was designed by Mari Shimazaki, not Hideki Kamiya: http://platinumgames.com/2009/04/17/designing-bayonetta/

I don't know how long you've lived on this earth, but it is not in our nature to focus on the dicks of men, we focus on the beauties of pretty ladies and that is not being sexist. Guess what, women actually like men enjoying her sexual presentation. And Nathan Drake IS actually representing men like Bayonetta is representing women. Nathan Drake is being viewed as the ideal man, muscular, manly, strong, handsome as fuck and has random sex with Chloe. Just like Kratos in God of War has sex with random NAKED women who seemed to be waiting forever in their bedroom only for the ideal man to please them, but that is not being sexist? Bayonetta actually shows women can be sexy and strong (having a goal) at the same time. Women are not only here to please men. 

 

 

 



curl-6 said:

GameTrailers said it best:

"[Bayonetta] exudes confidence with a commanding authority. Sure, her clothes often disappear and there is the occasional close-up of her crotch or breasts, but it happens for a reason. Bayonetta is not only completely satisfied with who she is, she flaunts it in such an empowering way, using sexuality to humiliate her enemies and flipping the script on what we typically see. Every single moment, Bayonetta is in total control, never following the whims of anyone else or seeking approval."

I think there is an argument that a strong sexy character can be portrayed in an empowering way, but Bayonetta is very far away from being that character. The crotch and breast shots have no reason other than to pander to horny males. Platinum is far too immature to tackle the subject in an appopriate way, and Kamiya has never pretended the character is meant to be anything other than a male sex fantasy.

To repeat myself, Nathan Drake is a sexy and empowered male and at no point does the game have to zoom in on a comically enlarged penis to convey that point. It only occurs in Bayonetta because young immature boys and sex depraved men want to see polygon boobs.

As for Bayonetta being in total control, that implied rape scene really makes a bit of a mockery of that.



Purple said:
curl-6 said:

GameTrailers said it best:

"[Bayonetta] exudes confidence with a commanding authority. Sure, her clothes often disappear and there is the occasional close-up of her crotch or breasts, but it happens for a reason. Bayonetta is not only completely satisfied with who she is, she flaunts it in such an empowering way, using sexuality to humiliate her enemies and flipping the script on what we typically see. Every single moment, Bayonetta is in total control, never following the whims of anyone else or seeking approval."

I think there is an argument that a strong sexy character can be portrayed in an empowering way, but Bayonetta is very far away from being that character. The crotch and breast shots have no reason other than to pander to horny males. Platinum is far too immature to tackle the subject in an appopriate way, and Kamiya has never pretended the character is meant to be anything other than a male sex fantasy.

To repeat myself, Nathan Drake is a sexy and empowered male and at no point does the game have to zoom in on a comically enlarged penis to convey that point. It only occurs in Bayonetta because young immature boys and sex depraved men want to see polygon boobs.

As for Bayonetta being in total control, that implied rape scene really makes a bit of a mockery of that.

There is no implied rape scene in Bayonetta, you're thinking of Tomb Raider.

Bayonetta is the top dog, the alpha predator of her world; she spends the entire game slaughtering angels, demons, dragons, and demigods, anyone who gets in her way. At no point does she compromise herself in submission to a male character. Hell, she often has to rescue the less capable male characters.



HintHRO said:

Bayonetta was designed by Mari Shimazaki, not Hideki Kamiya: http://platinumgames.com/2009/04/17/designing-bayonetta/

I don't know how long you've lived on this earth, but it is not in our nature to focus on the dicks of men, we focus on the beauties of pretty ladies and that is not being sexist. Guess what, women actually like men enjoying her sexual presentation. And Nathan Drake IS actually representing men like Bayonetta is representing women. Nathan Drake is being viewed as the ideal man, muscular, manly, strong, handsome as fuck and has random sex with Chloe. Just like Kratos in God of War has sex with random NAKED women who seemed to be waiting forever in their bedroom only for the ideal man to please them, but that is not being sexist? Bayonetta actually shows women can be sexy and strong (having a goal) at the same time. Women are not only here to please men. 

That's a character designer. She designs what the character looks like. That's all.

Are you incapable of seeing how incredible sexist your view of the world is? "We focus on the pretty ladies and not on men." That's sexist. And wtf??? Women DON'T like all men enjoying their sexual presentation. IF you truly believe this, your view of the world is incredibly creepy and perverted.

Nathan Drake's incredible looks are represented modestly and not obscenely represented. This is what I'm saying. Why are Bayonetta's boobs constantly on display? Why is she constantly naked? Why can the game industry represent men in a respectful way that conveys their beauty and power, while women have to be turned into porn stars?

Don't know why you're bringing GOW's cringe-worthy scenes into this? It only provides further evidence about how immature the game industry is and how their representation of women is neolithic.