Irrelevant to the point.

Yes, even after 2 years, some people still don't get it.

Perhaps you are seeing different in your country, but you'll be lucky to see a physical Wii U in any of the shops here. There are certainly none on display in the major shops in the town where I live. The retail space is divided equally between Sony and MS, and that's it. And even now, there are still people here who haven't even heard of a Wii U. It's not physically in our faces, and the advertising has only improved from virtually non-existant to scant. Here, you're more likely to find out about the Wii U if you actively search for it on the internet - assuming you've heard of the damn thing to start with. It's not an excuse. The sales for the UK speaks for itself.

I stand by my statement - if Nintendo want to stand out and be different, and still make it work, they need to make sure that developers and consumers alike understand the product. They dropped the ball on that one, and both developers and consumers have turned away as a result.

And there are more herds to follow than just MS and Sony, but that's academic - Nintendo is generally not in the business of doing what others do.

Where are you from?, we are facing a similar problem here, the distributor just plain sucks, Wii U games are 5 U$ more expensive just because. They are nor hyping the product among the comunnity and make a ton of amateur mistakes, they got used to the easy times of the Wii, when any game they brought no matter how bad it was, sold a good amount of units.

Yes, even after 2 years, some people still don't get it.

Perhaps you are seeing different in your country, but you'll be lucky to see a physical Wii U in any of the shops here. There are certainly none on display in the major shops in the town where I live. The retail space is divided equally between Sony and MS, and that's it. And even now, there are still people here who haven't even heard of a Wii U. It's not physically in our faces, and the advertising has only improved from virtually non-existant to scant. Here, you're more likely to find out about the Wii U if you actively search for it on the internet - assuming you've heard of the damn thing to start with. It's not an excuse. The sales for the UK speaks for itself.

I stand by my statement - if Nintendo want to stand out and be different, and still make it work, they need to make sure that developers and consumers alike understand the product. They dropped the ball on that one, and both developers and consumers have turned away as a result.

And there are more herds to follow than just MS and Sony, but that's academic - Nintendo is generally not in the business of doing what others do.

They said that Watch_dogs will be their last Mature Ubisoft on the Wii U because Assassin's Creed games don't sell well. In this case the developer is defending their technical reasons to not port the game, which are true and honest, but one does not exclude the other, in the case of Unity there is a technical reason AND a bussiness reason, in the case of Rogue is only a bussiness reason.

It is different in my country im in America. Trust me WIi U is around, people dont care. its that simple. I didnt know you werent talking US that changes things. Europe? i visited there in the Spring. ITs called SOny land for a reason I only saw Sony ads when it came to gaming. UK? Interesting. Well that seems to be an issue with either retailers or Ninty not stocking. ANd i dont want to be insulting. but UK is kinda small compared to the rest of Europe and the US. So even then. I would say the majority do know and dont care. 

We'll have ot agree to disagree. If you come to US the system is everywhere. Its not being hidden. If NInty wants to stand out they better damn well make a product that people want to buy.

Well then they are doomed to these numbers then. YOu call it following the herd. I call it doing things that are standard and EXPECTED in this day and age. Why do i still have to have stupid friend codes in this day and age. NO else does that.  Not SOny, Apple, MS, Google. I have no problem with them trying to be different, but doing it for the sake of doing it is stupid. If you cant make an alternative thats better or at the least works just as well as the others. THen you better follow.

They said that Watch_dogs will be their last Mature Ubisoft on the Wii U because Assassin's Creed games don't sell well. In this case the developer is defending their technical reasons to not port the game, which are true and honest, but one does not exclude the other, in the case of Unity there is a technical reason AND a bussiness reason, in the case of Rogue is only a bussiness reason.

So, Nintendo not obvious in Europe either? Which countries did you visit?

Yes, we'll have to agree to disagree. But I'll point out now, that if it's Sony doing all the advertising in Europe, it's paying off - the sales here are matching those in the US, whereas X1 and Wii U sales in Europe are roughly half those in the US. You can see how Sony has underpinned its success this gen. That is where Nintendo have failed, and I don't blame Ubisoft in the slightest for backing away this time.