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amak11 on 06 October 2014
daredevil.shark said:
amak11 said:


They share base modes (the defaults for Smash series) and characters. Everything else down to controls, stages and graphics (and bonus modes are 100% different. You've been here a while and you're not that inconsiderate to facts. The 3DS isn't your tournament console, it's the Wii U. Which will be the definitive way to play the game. 


Are you trying to say that graphics makes a game good?


Don't get all graphics whatever on me. I'm the guy who puts those people in their place. Generally meaning the game will look better. The 3DS version looks good, but it's still a far cry away from looking great. 



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AZWification on 06 October 2014

Smash WiiU won't magically save the WiiU, but it will definitely help sales a bit.



                
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Pavolink on 06 October 2014

And I read somewhere than maybe Captain Toad will be delayed until 2015. Now SSBU will sell even less without a real system seller helping it.



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Dr.Henry_Killinger on 06 October 2014
Avro1958 said:
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Your are assuming a majority of people willing to double dip already have a WiiU I don't think that is very realistic either. I know a few people myself that were holding out on a WiiU for Smash (and bought the 3DS version) I know this is my own corner of the world but hey, they world is a very big place and they can't be the only ones. 

 

Many people that started to play smash are MUCH older now so now they have the opportunity to play Smash on a lunch break, stuck up in a hotel on a business trip or waiting a few hours a day on some oil lease. Then they are able to go home and unwind on the weekend and Play Smash on the big screen with some friends.

 

Keep what I said in mind and now picture this, many of these people were simply waiting on Smash to justify a WiiU purchase. Some people need more then one game before they can hop into bed with a console :-p For me I have to have a least 4 games on a system before I will buy it's why I waited for Infamous:SS before I bought a PS4, that does not mean I won't go back and pick up some older software. Same with the WiiU I bought, now I mainly got that for Mario but Smash was a big factor and the original plan was to wait for a Smash bundle or a BF deal, however I buckled and bought one so now I don't have to hunt one down over the holidays. 

 

Smash has a history of selling well, it moved and sold 7 million on a console that was like the WiiU not exactly selling well.  You probably could make some strong comparisons between that and the WiiU, but then again the fan base has grown and the game sold REALLY well on the WiiU 12+million though it did have a bigger install base, but it may have introduced people to the game that otherwise never played it before. 

 

I am sure some parents will not double dip, but the kids that want it on both systems in all honesty will get it done eventually. You are also assuming that it's only children that buy these consoles! That could not be more untrue. For many gamer's Nintendo was there first console and while they may have something else now many are drawn back to it..  Nintendo has not been my main console since the SNES but I have owned a N64, GC, Wii and WiiU when the PSX, PS2, PS3, PS4 were my main consoles. 

 

Maybe your overestimating the damage that the 3DS version will to to the console and maybe I am underestimating... Time will tell. 

 

 

There are two problems with your assertion. First, we will never be able to truly measure the effect that the 3DS version has on the Wii U version because there are way too many variables, and we have no control case. Second, I know for a fact that the 3DS version must have a detrimental effect on the Wii U version, simply by existing. 

Clearly, the 3DS version was planned during a time where Nintendo was more worried about the 3DS then the Wii U, and with good reason. Problem is they didn't realize what made the Wii succesful and have so far failed to replicate it.

So while it is false to say that Smash 4 won't help the Wii U, we can also say with certainty that it cannot help the Wii U as much as it could if it didn't have to deal with the 3DS version. Even though there is no way to isolate the Smash boost from the Holiday boost.



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Cheebee on 06 October 2014
Pavolink said:
And I read somewhere than maybe Captain Toad will be delayed until 2015. Now SSBU will sell even less without a real system seller helping it.

I also heard the game has Mario and Pikachu in it. That ought to put people off big time, too. Flop confirmed.



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oniyide on 06 October 2014
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
Avro1958 said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

Your are assuming a majority of people willing to double dip already have a WiiU I don't think that is very realistic either. I know a few people myself that were holding out on a WiiU for Smash (and bought the 3DS version) I know this is my own corner of the world but hey, they world is a very big place and they can't be the only ones. 

 

Many people that started to play smash are MUCH older now so now they have the opportunity to play Smash on a lunch break, stuck up in a hotel on a business trip or waiting a few hours a day on some oil lease. Then they are able to go home and unwind on the weekend and Play Smash on the big screen with some friends.

 

Keep what I said in mind and now picture this, many of these people were simply waiting on Smash to justify a WiiU purchase. Some people need more then one game before they can hop into bed with a console :-p For me I have to have a least 4 games on a system before I will buy it's why I waited for Infamous:SS before I bought a PS4, that does not mean I won't go back and pick up some older software. Same with the WiiU I bought, now I mainly got that for Mario but Smash was a big factor and the original plan was to wait for a Smash bundle or a BF deal, however I buckled and bought one so now I don't have to hunt one down over the holidays. 

 

Smash has a history of selling well, it moved and sold 7 million on a console that was like the WiiU not exactly selling well.  You probably could make some strong comparisons between that and the WiiU, but then again the fan base has grown and the game sold REALLY well on the WiiU 12+million though it did have a bigger install base, but it may have introduced people to the game that otherwise never played it before. 

 

I am sure some parents will not double dip, but the kids that want it on both systems in all honesty will get it done eventually. You are also assuming that it's only children that buy these consoles! That could not be more untrue. For many gamer's Nintendo was there first console and while they may have something else now many are drawn back to it..  Nintendo has not been my main console since the SNES but I have owned a N64, GC, Wii and WiiU when the PSX, PS2, PS3, PS4 were my main consoles. 

 

Maybe your overestimating the damage that the 3DS version will to to the console and maybe I am underestimating... Time will tell. 

 

 

There are two problems with your assertion. First, we will never be able to truly measure the effect that the 3DS version has on the Wii U version because there are way too many variables, and we have no control case. Second, I know for a fact that the 3DS version must have a detrimental effect on the Wii U version, simply by existing. 

Clearly, the 3DS version was planned during a time where Nintendo was more worried about the 3DS then the Wii U, and with good reason. Problem is they didn't realize what made the Wii succesful and have so far failed to replicate it.

So while it is false to say that Smash 4 won't help the Wii U, we can also say with certainty that it cannot help the Wii U as much as it could if it didn't have to deal with the 3DS version. Even though there is no way to isolate the Smash boost from the Holiday boost.


Ive seen this theory alot but let me try to come with another. 3ds is a detriment? i would say it doesnt effect it that much. Why? There is NO gaurantee that if the 3ds version didnt exist that those people who are buying the portable one would buy a Wii U for Smash. If you didnt care to buy a WIi U for Smash then it doesnt matter if there is another version out there or not. I think some of you guys were giving too much stock to that series. Lets not let Brawl numbers fool you, it wasnt going to do anyhwere near those numbers. Matter of fact i would argue that since 3ds is a system people are actually buying anyway(moreso than WiiU) then Ninty could sell a game to an bigger base of people who most likely werent going to get the WIi U anyway. Hell if theny really like it they might be inticed to buy a Wii U and Smash. if not Ninty sold a game they woulnd have anyway.

Yes we could argue that Smash being on 3ds hurts WIi U cause people will just settle. We could argue against it too. But from a software standpoint this is smart move, no way one can say taht Smash WIi U exclusive would sell better than Smash 3ds/WIiU combined.



DarkRPGamer007 on 06 October 2014

Well 3DS is too close but I mean Smash being mixed in with Christmas really should help. Mario Kart did wonders (on Wii U level) over the summer, so Smash should do good. Even if Wii U sales don't boost much, I'm sure games like Mario Kart 8 and Smash Bros alone will generate profit alone this holiday. Smash since it launches and Mario Kart since I personally believe that games was a time bomb. All the casuals were waiting until Christmas to get a Wii U for Mario Kart 8, so I think that the numbers will be bigger than many expect, but not completely due to Smash.



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Chris Hu on 06 October 2014
fatslob-:O said:
Super Smash Smash Bros is a niche title ??? Well that's something new you learn everyday ... ^_^

Seriously though Smash may fail to sell WII U's for the reasons listed above and I totally agree but I think Smash is just as popular as MK is.


MK is a lot more popular then Smash Brother of course the franchise is more well established since it goes back to the SNES.



NobleTeam360 on 06 October 2014

I don't think it's going to do much for Wii U either. Game will sell well, but it's not like it's going to boost the Wii above the PS4 or even XBO



fatslob-:O on 06 October 2014
Chris Hu said:


MK is a lot more popular then Smash Brother of course the franchise is more well established since it goes back to the SNES.

A lot more popular is stretching it since the only oddball out of the whole franchise is MK WII plus Smash bros was more popular on GC than MK was on the GC.