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mornelithe on 04 October 2014
zero129 said:

Actually, no, you're missing the point.  The situation is the PS4 has a much higher ceiling, long-term, than the XB1, due to it's ~40% differential.  The XB1 will improve over time, absolutely, every electronic device dependant upon human software follows this tack.  However, the PS4 will also, and they have more to work with, so yes, the gap should increase, up to a point.

Yet after almost a year this gap has not gotting bigger or smaller. that higher ceiling has been being used already and thats why PS4 games look better then X1 games, and that 40-50% on Paper wont be as noticable with your eyes as long as PS4 keeps doing 1080P and x1 keeps doing 900P, imo if the PS4 dropped its res down to 900P too you would notice that extra power more..

Right, because we all know that the majority of SDK refinement is restricted to the first year.

/facepalm

Look at the PS3/360's first year, and compare it with last year.  Look at the PS2 or original Xbox's first year, and compare it to 5 or 6 years into it's life.  Your logic doesn't stand up to the test of time.   Another example, look at the amount of time it took devs to start utilizing all 4 cores of a CPU, on PC.  Years.  It takes time for devs to find ways to utilize it all, and to utilize it all in the cleanest, most effective way possible.  That certainly doesn't occur w/in the 1st year.



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TheAdjustmentBureau on 04 October 2014

So not 1080p 60fps vs 720p 30fps.

1080p vs 900p both at 30fps is better.

All in all these don't matter as I only have Xbox one as the games I like most are only in this machine. I'll pick it up after halo.



mornelithe on 04 October 2014
zero129 said:

With the ridiculous money some PC gamers spend on their rigs I'm pretty sure they are obsessed with the graphics even if they're not that much better than a top end console game. There was a guy on here the other day looking to spend $2500 on his setup. I mean WTF obviously playing the game for fun isn't enough for him! A lot of PC gamers are like that and they waste a serious amount of money considering most games won't even come close to maxing their PC out. 

Yeah but thats really only hardcore that spends that type of money, this day and age its very easy to build a PC that can outdo the X1 and PS4 for in around the same price point thanks to them launching with only middle range PC hardware , in fact within the last few years thanks to lastgen lasting so long and this gen not being as big of a jump compared to lastgen as most people thought the has never been a better time to get into PC gaming even if as a 2nd gaming device .

And much cheaper if you're simply upgrading your existing PC (provided of course you have options for upgrade).  When you have to do a rebuild, that can get costly, for sure.



ethomaz on 04 October 2014

zero129 said:

Yes and that power to spare has been being used already or else you wouldnt be seeing any diffrence between the x1 and PS4 versions of games .

There are not even close to reach the potential limit for PS4 / Xbone.

The gap will widen because the Xbone will reach the peak performance first before the PS4... when that happen the PS4 will start to increase the gap because PS4 have more to spare.



Kerotan on 04 October 2014
zero129 said:

Yeah but thats really only hardcore that spends that type of money, this day and age its very easy to build a PC that can outdo the X1 and PS4 for in around the same price point thanks to them launching with only middle range PC hardware , in fact within the last few years thanks to lastgen lasting so long and this gen not being as big of a jump compared to lastgen as most people thought the has never been a better time to get into PC gaming even if as a 2nd gaming device .

The PS4 is optimized far better than any similar gaming PC would ever be. You'd need to spend at least 800$ to get the performance the PS4 can get out of it's best games. 



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Kerotan on 04 October 2014
TheAdjustmentBureau said:
So not 1080p 60fps vs 720p 30fps.

1080p vs 900p both at 30fps is better.

All in all these don't matter as I only have Xbox one as the games I like most are only in this machine. I'll pick it up after halo.

so are you just gonna leave your X1 idle while all these top class games release until halo comes along? Or did you just want to get the name of an X1 eclusive into your argument!! Either way your loss and this game will likely be much better than Halo. 



NobleTeam360 on 04 October 2014
Arkaign said:


Wouldn't you play multiplats on 360 though? They are almost always better even to today (Destiny for example). I can understand if you don't own both, but that was my reason for owning a 360. I thought the exclusives sucked on 360, but otherwise it was a superb console (ignoring rrod). I loved the OG Xbox exclusives and the system. X1 I feel is their worst effort compared to the competition, but I'm willing to give Phil Spencer the benefit of the doubt and blame Mattrick for the issues I have with it. Phil took over less than a year ago, and it will take time to see the results of his new plans. I expect a great showing at e3 2015, as we should see the fruits of his new directives. He can't fix the console design, but he can still be a general that leads it to a better state for Xbox fans and gamers at large. I

I think going back to having tons of AA exclusives like the OG days is far better than a handful of tired IPs run into the ground as AAA budget muck. I'd be okay never seeing another Halo, Gears, or Fable ever again. 

 

 

Well I didn't play multi plats on 360 because of resolution or AA or textures etc.... it was because that was my primary console (PS3 was secondary and only bought for JRPG games). I agree that Xbox should focus more on AA games rather than trying to make Halo, Gears, Forza, and Fable then rinse and repeat. New IP like Quantum Break though have the potential to become big franchises whether they do or not is a different story. Maybe even let 343 make something other than Halo and I hope Black Tusk isn't just a Gears Studio. Get Rare more involved in non Kinect games I could go on and on but lets just hope Phil continues to make Xbox a game first machine.



Kerotan on 04 October 2014
zero129 said:

Yes true but no you wouldnt need to spend 800 to get a PC that can match the PS4.

In fact my old PC build from like 4-5 years ago (Mostly an upgrade at that time new CPU+GPU+Ram+Case) costed me €350-400 on sale for the upgrade kit, that PC has an i5-2500k CPU, HD6870-1GB GDDR5 video ram and 8GB system Ram, even today that PC still stands toe to toe with my PS4 no problem, if i put a newer GFX card in that it would blow the PS4 out of the water..


blow the ps4 out of the water? just like shadow of morder needs crazy hardware to max it out yet it doesn't blow the ps4 version out of the water. It stands up to it fairly well. You shouldn't exagerate! The PS4 is the perfect level of graphics for the forseable future. 



TheSting on 04 October 2014
thismeintiel said:
So, I guess this does start another round of resolution-gate? Shouldn't really be surprising, as everyone knows the PS4 is more powerful. Still like these articles, though, so you can see exactly what is different. It'll be interesting to see if this impacts One's sales going into the holidays now that we have (I believe) 3 relatively large games recently running at lower resolutions on the One. I also don't get people talking about playing the game for fun on the One. Don't they think that's what people do on the PS4? What's wrong if they have a prettier image and world to look at while they game?

Anyway, I think I will definitely be getting this game when I pick up a PS4 (again) this holiday season. It seems like a pretty good game.

You didn't get it because I didn't say having fun on the One at all. I already know how you read my statement though.



mornelithe on 04 October 2014
zero129 said:

My logic stands up very well and would even better if you stop assuming that i dont already know stuff like "Games will look better at the end of gens etc" But i was already expecting you to say something like that, and this isnt the PS3 vs X360 unless your calling the PS4 the 360 and the X1 the PS3 since this time its the MS hardware thats harder to program for..

But Like you said look to lastgen for all the PS3's power did it "Really" gain that big of a jump over the X360??, I also understand end of gen games look much better then 1st gen games, But that works both ways and as long as Sony keeps using that extra power to keep the PS4 version res of games above the X1 versions dont expect to notice that 40-50% power difference and if you do best be ready to be let down .

Clearly you weren't factoring the reality of games looking better over time, into your equation, since you insinuated that the vast majority of SDK refinement occurs in the 1st year.  Claiming you knew I'd say that, doesn't make you any less wrong.

As far as generational comparisons, that's doable, but not as cookie cutter as you'd like to think, since the PS4 is more a combination of the PS3 (more powerful) and the 360 (easier to program for), which is why the gap will only get bigger over time.  The PS3 was marginally more powerful (the difference between the PS4/One is bigger), but it was a nightmare to program for, which is why it took years for PS3 games to match their 360 counterparts.  And it's not just resolution, mind you, the PC settings comparison chart on the first page, shows there's more than just resolution that's effected.

The Cell was a beast of a CPU, but nobody really had worked on that type of programming in ages, and certainly not for gaming.  So, big gamble by Sony, and they paid dearly for it early on and over the long haul, though the positive takeaway is they realized and learned from many of those mistakes and directly applied them to the PS4's architecture.  Can't imagine why MS wasn't equally cautious, but, you can bet your ass next gen they'll take a different approach.