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Kerotan said:

blow the ps4 out of the water? just like shadow of morder needs crazy hardware to max it out yet it doesn't blow the ps4 version out of the water. It stands up to it fairly well. You shouldn't exagerate! The PS4 is the perfect level of graphics for the forseable future. 

Watch the quote trees, limit them to 3.  Otherwise the mods will get yea! :)



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mornelithe said:
Kerotan said:

blow the ps4 out of the water? just like shadow of morder needs crazy hardware to max it out yet it doesn't blow the ps4 version out of the water. It stands up to it fairly well. You shouldn't exagerate! The PS4 is the perfect level of graphics for the forseable future. 

Watch the quote trees, limit them to 3.  Otherwise the mods will get yea! :)

Thanks for the heads up :) 



Kerotan said:
mornelithe said:
Kerotan said:

blow the ps4 out of the water? just like shadow of morder needs crazy hardware to max it out yet it doesn't blow the ps4 version out of the water. It stands up to it fairly well. You shouldn't exagerate! The PS4 is the perfect level of graphics for the forseable future. 

Watch the quote trees, limit them to 3.  Otherwise the mods will get yea! :)

Thanks for the heads up :) 

No problemo



Kerotan said:
zero129 said:

Yes true but no you wouldnt need to spend 800 to get a PC that can match the PS4.

In fact my old PC build from like 4-5 years ago (Mostly an upgrade at that time new CPU+GPU+Ram+Case) costed me €350-400 on sale for the upgrade kit, that PC has an i5-2500k CPU, HD6870-1GB GDDR5 video ram and 8GB system Ram, even today that PC still stands toe to toe with my PS4 no problem, if i put a newer GFX card in that it would blow the PS4 out of the water..


blow the ps4 out of the water? just like shadow of morder needs crazy hardware to max it out yet it doesn't blow the ps4 version out of the water. It stands up to it fairly well. You shouldn't exagerate! The PS4 is the perfect level of graphics for the forseable future. 





I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

zero129 said:
mornelithe said:
zero129 said:

I know that hardware power cant change and thats why its stupid for Sony fans to believe this gap is going to somehow grow!. yes SDK's can be refined and games can be optimised but still they cant make Hardware more powerful! and it works both ways! In other words the gap wont grow or shrink it will stay the same...

And yes i do see what you done there yet it was pointless as you backed up what i was saying with what you said...

Actually, no, you're missing the point.  The situation is the PS4 has a much higher ceiling, long-term, than the XB1, due to it's ~40% differential.  The XB1 will improve over time, absolutely, every electronic device dependant upon human software follows this tack.  However, the PS4 will also, and they have more to work with, so yes, the gap should increase, up to a point.

Yet after almost a year this gap has not gotting bigger or smaller. that higher ceiling has been being used already and thats why PS4 games look better then X1 games, and that 40-50% on Paper wont be as noticable with your eyes as long as PS4 keeps doing 1080P and x1 keeps doing 900P, imo if the PS4 dropped its res down to 900P too you would notice that extra power more..

Yeah, blurring the image is a sure way to understand the extra power. I always play at 480p on PC, the differences are mindblowing.



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zero129 said:

Well then if we are going by what you are saying here since on paper if i added a new GFX card to my PC it would blow the PS4 out of the water (Even if many devs never took use of it this gen) The Ps4 is only a tiny bit more powerful then the X1 and will never look much better then it even if on paper its 40-50% more powerful, see how that works?? .

Depends on the GPU, actually.  There are already GPU's out there, that outperform the PS4/XB1 (and I mean easily), it's simply a matter of brute force with an insane resource pool, versus the finesse of direct to metal coding you get from console development.  If the hardware specs were exactly the same, yes the console version would be better, because PC API's have to cover such an expanse of hardware variation, and as a result is less hardware specific (the API isn't the only factor, there's allot of background stuff on a PC that isn't on a console, even if you've closed all programs but the game).

The question is, where does the resource pool start to overpower the direct to metal?  That's actually an interesting question.  It's quite obvious the Titan Z or R295X2 (And yes, those two cards are as obscenely expensive as you would expect from 8 and 11.5TFlop cards) easily outpace either machine, but what's the low end, I wonder?  Anyone else know?



Sucks that there's no unlocked framerate option for the PS4. It also looks like that gap is getting wider because the differences aren't just in display resolution, but other attributes like texture resolution, shadows, and vegetation. We've already seen this with ambient occlusion (or lack thereof, on the X1) in Battlefield 4.



zero129 said:
kinisking said:
wary-wallaroo said:
This is the kind of difference I expect to see. Some people thought that just because Bungie and Blizzard chose to go for parity, that the gap was closing. That's not the case and if anything it will continue to widen.


Why would it. If ps4 got stronger so would Xbox. And blizzard didn't decrease the ps4s settings it just improved Xbox's because of the 10 percent and Ms helping them 

I think its best to just let them "think" the gap is going to widen, how they come to that conclusion is beyond me since its like they think the X1 is going to stay at the same level of power well the PS4 is somehow going to grow O_o .Welcome to Sonys 4th dimension! where common sense doesnt excist! xD .

Umm, what? If the X1 is going to improve then logically the PS4 will too. They will never be able to ignore the HW difference, and you assume Sony will just sit on their hands and do nothing?

 

Uou bring up logic yet your post doesn't have much logic in it man.



zero129 said:

Well then if we are going by what you are saying here since on paper if i added a new GFX card to my PC it would blow the PS4 out of the water (Even if many devs never took use of it this gen) The Ps4 is only a tiny bit more powerful then the X1 and will never look much better then it even if on paper its 40-50% more powerful, see how that works?? .

The difference between X1 and PS4 is actually bigger than a HD6790 and a HD7850, so that's more than a PC GFX generation difference. If you look at it like that the difference becomes more apparant. And that's not even including the difference in memory bandwith. In more memory depended cases the difference can go up to 70%/80%.

And believe it or not, PS4 acutally has some ''secret sauce up it's sleeve''. It has 8 ACE units, against 2 ACE units in the X1. Only the AMD 290x has as many of these computing units. We probably will only see the true difference between the systems in future exclusive titles.



For the love of god people, clean up your quote trees!



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