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ethomaz on 03 October 2014

padib said:

True. I guess what I'm saying is that if someone verbally offends you IRL (in real life), even if they are a total stranger (actually even more so if they are a total stranger), you can choose to ignore them, but your first instinct might be to want to punch them.

I think that if that's true in real life, it should also be true online. A mod system that reflects civility IRL to me is a decent moderation system and not the other way around. Of course online is a place where we should be able to be more slack because otherwise what's the point, right? We should be able to enjoy maybe more taboo topics or to poke fun at each other a little more, or say more controversial things, but I think that respect should still be as strong as IRL.

I know we disagree and I think that that's a good thing. If we all had the same idea it would get boring fast.

I don't think we disagree about that I just think you can deal with these things in internet without get angry or revide... just be cool.



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pokoko on 03 October 2014
ethomaz said:

RavenXtra said:

Sometimes a person is objectively an asshole though.

Should everyone else suffer because one person has a "special snowflake" complex?

How can a "special snowflake" make others suffer?

Because they bring down the percentage of posts worth reading compared to garbage posts and they turn discussions into crap.  There are TONS of forums that don't mind brainless flaming and childish insults.  PEOPLE CAN GO THERE.  They don't have to subject themselves to a bar they are unable to meet.

That's mainly why I visit these forums, that invisible bar that eventually forces out those who cannot figure out how to exist within the rules.  It's like natural selection for the internet.

It's not even like it's a difficult undertaking.  All you have to do is not insult people directly.  That's it.  It's as simple as pie.

Here is a breakdown for those having trouble:
"You're ignorant" -- This is an insult.  There is no context, so you're implying the person knows nothing in general.
"You're ignorant about this topic" -- Better, though still on the line.  You've given context, now you have to back it up with the logic you employeed to reach that conclusion.
"That is an ignorant statement" -- The best.  Context helps, obviously, but you are NOT attacking the person directly, only what they've written in this specific instance.

Follow that pattern of arguing and you won't be banned.  It's not about being sensitive, it's about keeping people from bogging the place down in the muck you see elsewhere.  You don't have to insult someone to argue with them.  Anyone who can't figure that out, honestly, is no great loss.



AZWification on 03 October 2014
Ka-pi96 said:

Check the latest banned users lists. So many permabanned users with no avatars and very few posts. It's fair to assume most if not all of them are all alts.

Most of them aren't FW or BlackGoku alts though. That's what I was talking about.



                
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BMaker11 on 03 October 2014
padib said:

I understand your point, but I don't understand how you categorized which terms are disparaging and which aren't. Do you have  some kind of official list? And even if you did and it didn't contain the term ignorant, there are many people who use that term to call people idiots online.

I have run into so many people using that term about someone they simply disagree with, even if they didn't take the time to argue the point (much unlike your fair points above, which you're arguing).

I don't know what the ban was about, but I agree that calling someone ignorant is really tiptoeing a fine line. Calling someone stupid also by definition would mean basically the same thing as a person who isn't thinking well. Though you may caracterize it as a disparaging term (contrasting with "ignorant"), the definition of stupid itself applies is really much less insulting. If I told you you're not thinking well, you wouldn't want to punch me.

I think the rule of fist actually works really well. For the record I don't recommend calling someone an ignorant in real life, much like I would conversely recommend you use its definition to explain to a person that they are missing the mark.

http://jdstone.org/cr/files/ignorance-vs-stupidity-the-political-correctness-of-accurate-labels.html

And to stop beating around the bush, the word I said was "a delusion". In context, I said "you guys are holding on to beliefs that don't line up with reality (aka a delusion)" or something like that. Similar situation. Apparently saying "you have beliefs....." was fine, but using the word that is defined by that got me banned.