wii u is leaps and bounds above ps360. 3d world, mario kart, pikmin, bayonetta 2, zelda, xenoblade...

he posted with all the words about how nintendo "could have an installed base of 70 million (final) for its games to sell, instead of 7 million. it was as if 7 million was wii u's final ltd. that's why it was stupid.

by the end of the year, the naysayers will be pretty quiet with their sub 30 million predictions for wii u.

wii u is leaps and bounds above ps360. 3d world, mario kart, pikmin, bayonetta 2, zelda, xenoblade...

he posted with all the words about how nintendo "could have an installed base of 70 million (final) for its games to sell, instead of 7 million. it was as if 7 million was wii u's final ltd. that's why it was stupid.

by the end of the year, the naysayers will be pretty quiet with their sub 30 million predictions for wii u.

First of all, you need to actually read and comprehend what people are saying in their posts. 

Define "leaps and bounds" better. Some games look nice on the Wii U, while many multi-plat games look worse. Looking at 2015 PS4/X1 games that are expressly built for the system and aren't cross-generation titles, there's a fairly large gap between the Wii U and the PS4/X1 (see: Final Fantasy XV). Since Nintendo won't give their actual specs (I wonder why), this is fairly subjective issue, but I'd say the Wii U is like the GameCube/XBox compared to the 360/PS3 being the PS2. Games like Rogue Squadron II and RE4 looked notably better on the GameCube vs. most PS2 games, but no one would consider it a generational leap. 

My point with the Fusion analogy is if this generation was a "Fusion" generation, then Nintendo would have a wider base to sell many of their "console" projects to. The 3DS today has 44 million shipped units, the Wii U only has 7 million. If that were combined under a Fusion umbrella strategy that would mean a game like Bayonetta 2 would have a userbase of about 45-46 million (assuming some overlap between the two products). I don't think you're dumb enough to argue against that since it's pretty basic math. That's all I was saying about that. 

Every year there's one "hero poster" here who is die-hard about the Wii U is going to finish within 30-40 million LTD even though it's tracking way below the GameCube and that only finished at 22 million. In my experience on this board, that person is usually the one who's gone and stops posting in about 8-12 months, not the other way around. 

We've heard it all on this board "wait for Pikmin and Wonderful 101! Then sales will explode!", then "Wait for Wii Party U, Zelda: WWHD, and Mario 3D World! Sales will explode!", then "wait for DKC, sales will pick up!", then "wait for Mario Kart 8, sales will definitely peak", but really at no one point has the system ever outsold the GameCube for any sustained stretch. In almost 2 years on market, it's only had one or two months better than the GameCube in North America, and that was barely at that and it not performing well at all in Europe or Japan. 

First of all, you need to actually read and comprehend what people are saying in their posts. 

Define "leaps and bounds" better. Some games look nice on the Wii U, while many multi-plat games look worse. Looking at 2015 PS4/X1 games that are expressly built for the system and aren't cross-generation titles, there's a fairly large gap between the Wii U and the PS4/X1 (see: Final Fantasy XV). Since Nintendo won't give their actual specs (I wonder why), this is fairly subjective issue, but I'd say the Wii U is like the GameCube/XBox compared to the 360/PS3 being the PS2. Games like Rogue Squadron II and RE4 looked notably better on the GameCube vs. most PS2 games, but no one would consider it a generational leap. 

My point with the Fusion analogy is if this generation was a "Fusion" generation, then Nintendo would have a wider base to sell many of their "console" projects to. The 3DS today has 44 million shipped units, the Wii U only has 7 million. If that were combined under a Fusion umbrella strategy that would mean a game like Bayonetta 2 would have a userbase of about 45-46 million (assuming some overlap between the two products). I don't think you're dumb enough to argue against that since it's pretty basic math. That's all I was saying about that. 

Every year there's one "hero poster" here who is die-hard about the Wii U is going to finish within 30-40 million LTD even though it's tracking way below the GameCube and that only finished at 22 million. In my experience on this board, that person is usually the one who's gone and stops posting in about 8-12 months, not the other way around. 

We've heard it all on this board "wait for Pikmin and Wonderful 101! Then sales will explode!", then "Wait for Wii Party U, Zelda: WWHD, and Mario 3D World! Sales will explode!", then "wait for DKC, sales will pick up!", then "wait for Mario Kart 8, sales will definitely peak", but really at no one point has the system ever outsold the GameCube for any sustained stretch. In almost 2 years on market, it's only had one or two months better than the GameCube in North America, and that was barely at that and it not performing well at all in Europe or Japan. 

Not sure what makes you think WW is one of the least favorite Zelda, i hear the opposite from most fans who think TP is the worst of the serie. ( and TP didnt sell so much compared to WW , at the opposite when you compare the install base of both consoles 22M vs 100M )

No, you didnt understand it seems, i said a lot of PS4 gamers had no PS3 because they were not  all sony fans, only gamers, 30% were jsut people who had a 360 or a Wii, while Nintendo consoles are bought by nintendo fans and nintendo fans buy all nintendo consoles so it's logical to say the game will sell more because it wont be a new game for most of them.

But TP was a launch title, it didn't have 100 mill users to sell it with. Wind Waker was supposed to move units for the GC but failed.

WW is one of the least popular Zelda's because at the time Nintendo lied to us. They said their next generation Zelda was going to look like this:

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But instead we got Wind Waker. It looks like a damn Kiddie game to this day! Lots of Zelda fans felt this was a smack to the face (including me). Even though Wind Waker was and still is a great game, I would say it's still on the bottom in terms of Zelda games. I finished it and I don't really remember it much besides it's fantastic combat system and final battle. Many of my friends that had OOT reserved a copy of WW and never picked it up... It was like 2 people out of 7 ratio in my group. It's still the least selling Zelda game that premiered first on any console (Skyward Sword and Majora's Mask were sequels and weren't the first on the Wii and N64 respectively, so I didn't include them. Plus they came out when both cycles of their consoles were at it's end).

TP was one of the reasons why people bought a Wii initially. Nobody was lining up to buy a GC for WW. Hell nobody is still lining up to buy a Wii U for WW 12 years later. Even though it did boost up sales a bit last year, but people didn't feel like its a "must have" or a"console buyer". Plus, all my friends that bought Ocarina of Time bought a Wii JUST TO PLAY TP!! ALL of them!! That's because it finally looked like that game above!!! They all loved it too! Some are still telling me to play it cause I bought it at release date and never played it!

If you ever see a remake of TP and SS, I guarantee they'll sell more. Then you will see a difference. We would love to be in a world where people don't pay attention to silly things like "this game looks kiddie" and just pay attention to the gameplay, but that's not how things work.