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Soundwave on 23 September 2014
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crushingsound said:
Soundwave said:

wii u is leaps and bounds above ps360. 3d world, mario kart, pikmin, bayonetta 2, zelda, xenoblade...

he posted with all the words about how nintendo "could have an installed base of 70 million (final) for its games to sell, instead of 7 million. it was as if 7 million was wii u's final ltd. that's why it was stupid.

by the end of the year, the naysayers will be pretty quiet with their sub 30 million predictions for wii u.


First of all, you need to actually read and comprehend what people are saying in their posts. 

Define "leaps and bounds" better. Some games look nice on the Wii U, while many multi-plat games look worse. Looking at 2015 PS4/X1 games that are expressly built for the system and aren't cross-generation titles, there's a fairly large gap between the Wii U and the PS4/X1 (see: Final Fantasy XV). Since Nintendo won't give their actual specs (I wonder why), this is fairly subjective issue, but I'd say the Wii U is like the GameCube/XBox compared to the 360/PS3 being the PS2. Games like Rogue Squadron II and RE4 looked notably better on the GameCube vs. most PS2 games, but no one would consider it a generational leap. 

My point with the Fusion analogy is if this generation was a "Fusion" generation, then Nintendo would have a wider base to sell many of their "console" projects to. The 3DS today has 44 million shipped units, the Wii U only has 7 million. If that were combined under a Fusion umbrella strategy that would mean a game like Bayonetta 2 would have a userbase of about 45-46 million (assuming some overlap between the two products). I don't think you're dumb enough to argue against that since it's pretty basic math. That's all I was saying about that. 

Every year there's one "hero poster" here who is die-hard about the Wii U is going to finish within 30-40 million LTD even though it's tracking way below the GameCube and that only finished at 22 million. In my experience on this board, that person is usually the one who's gone and stops posting in about 8-12 months, not the other way around. 

We've heard it all on this board "wait for Pikmin and Wonderful 101! Then sales will explode!", then "Wait for Wii Party U, Zelda: WWHD, and Mario 3D World! Sales will explode!", then "wait for DKC, sales will pick up!", then "wait for Mario Kart 8, sales will definitely peak", but really at no one point has the system ever outsold the GameCube for any sustained stretch. In almost 2 years on market, it's only had one or two months better than the GameCube in North America, and that was barely at that and it not performing well at all in Europe or Japan. 

bolded: hahahahahahahhahaha You never stop trying to downplay wii u graphics. what's the point of using cross gen multiplats as an example for wii u and then comparing then with ps4/xone multis while ignoring wii u games that actually push graphics? FINAL FANTASY XV??? REALLY??? final fantasy fv is on parity with xenoblade X. xv pushes better looking characters, X pushes much bigger and filled areas.

bold 2: it's a terrible strategy regardless

bold 3: nope, only 3d world was called system seller. stop lying about people saying sales would explode with pikmin and w101. and mario kart 8 did it's job.


bold 1: If that's what you want to think go ahead. No point in even arguing this. You might want to do some research of TDP, die-size, and wattage, unless Nintendo is using magical Nintendium in their chip, a 33-watt chip is simply not going to be able to compete with a more modern 200 watt GPU that pumps out 1.8 teraflops of performance. 

bold 2: Well it's not my strategy, get used to it though because I suspect in 2 years you'll do an about face and say what a great strategy it is after being shown the product. 

bold 3: People have been saying the Wii U just needs games for sales to boost big time since day 1. It has gotten several big releases and each time there's been a modest boost followed by sales sinking back into the toliet again a month or two later. Case in point even with Mario Kart 8, GameCube outsold the Wii U overall for the equivalent summer (summer 2003 vs. summer 2014) even though the GameCube had no notable releases for this period.