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Nem said:

I think its funny that you say that as ISIS goes around killing innocents, women and children included.

Yes, *shackefist* that mean US government and their wars! Of course, said government wants something at the end aswell, because what is a nice fight without a reward at the end. We as gamers know that well.


The U.S. spends tons of lives and money trying to do some good in the world and then people act surprised that they also might want to gain something besides warm feelings.  Welcome to Earth people.  Wake the fuck up and realize that the strong sometimes use their power for their own benifit.



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the2real4mafol said:
Captain_Tom said:


1) America was actually voted as the MOST popular country.

2) You ok with ISIS running around massacring people?  We have vested interests in many of the countries threatened by ISIS, so it isn't exactly hard to justify helping them.

3) The drones strikes in those countries are part of this war lol.  The modern world makes it easy for people to move around, and if you attack America and move around -> our drones will find you.

#1. There are alot of people on this world so, many can hate America with others loving it. Also, prove? Or is that patriotic nonsense!?

#2 No of course not, I never justified them but i'm not sure if another war will solve anything. The west has to work with the ordinary Iraqis and Syrians to disband ISIS. Blindly bombing whatever the fuck you like would be counter productive. Any action made must be to improve the lives of people and their wellbeing so they won't be compelled to go to the likes of ISIS. 

Also how do you expect to beat ISIS when your country couldn't beat the Taliban? 

Also abit rich saying about ISIS massacring people. The US government has supported some nasty leaders/ regimes over the years who were almost as bad or just as bad as ISIS. Pol Pot, Pinochet, Suharto, Saddam Hussein, Batista, Armas,  South African Apartheid to name a few. The US government has overthrown anyone who it disagrees with. Some were justified but the people the US backed were nearly always worse 

#3 And the problem with that is that only makes the problems worse. The situation in alot of the countries was shit to begin with. Drone strikes only destroy whatever is left. That radicalises people as the system failed them. 

Also, as far as i know ISIS never attacked America but probably will soon if they get provoked. 

I say give these people (ordinary citizens of the Middle East not ISIS) jobs and allow them to have a better standard of living not war. 

Also, don't you find it weird that one year ago the US government wanted to topple Assad's Regime in Syria but now has to work with him to try to end ISIS somehow? 


1) http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/06/us-americans-cool-survey-idUSTRE7852H320110906

 

2)

a) Will a war solve anything?  It already saved Kurdistan from a masscre.  I really wish some of those families who barily survived the ISIS onslaught were next to you right now so you could tell them that maybe they would have been ok without America's help.

b) Yeah the U.S.  has supported some shitty people.  Who hasn't?  What is your point?  "America did bad things before so whawwww!"  Let the past be the past.  

c)  What country are you from?  Just for comparison's sake.

3) LOL now you are losing me.  Give these people jobs?  Ok let me wave my magic job wand.  It isn't that simple bud.  Also we still don't like Assad, and you know we didn't like the Soviet Union during WWII.  But guess what?  The Nazi's and ISIS are worse.  DUH.



The eagle on the great seal of the united states shows you everything you need to know, just because you see a guy on tv talking about peace doesn't mean that's what they really stand for, the eagle carries a branch with 13 leafs that represents peace "how they come across to me and you and average Joe who believes everything the teLIEvision news station tells them, the other claw clutches 13 arrows of war as you can see is what they really stand for, look how many wars and conflicts they have started, this is the beginning of the end of the united states as we know it, ISIS is just the latest terror group they want to use, back and fund to create a new boogie man that seems so terrifying, so scary, and they will come in and "save" the day and for it never to happen again will accept there new world order and sign away all your rights.
They purposely opened up the Mexican boarder to let in illegals, this is the start of the American Union they want, and in the process to create a welfare state, look at here in the UK, we live in a welfare state and totally controlled police state, can't believe this is happening.



 

It isn't easy and I'm more than happy that I don't have to make that decision. But IS, for some reason, have unlimited Money. All hell broke loose in the middle east with the IS killing People in the Name of Allah. The NATO as well as the UN don't want to let such crimes against humanity happen. Problem is, besides the US, most of the NATO countries are pretty much defenseless. They didn't need their armies in the last few decades so they abandoned them. So in situations like these, they just do nothing, because they aren't able to. But that's some Bad Publicity, so they go ahead and tell people they do nothing because Peace and Shit.

Only the US with their massive Army remains to help other countries in situations like these. Remember that a number of States actually asked the US for help in the fight against IS. Even Saudi-Arabia is ok with it, although a little skeptical. And yes, I do remember the Iraq war of George Bush. He had no right to do it and it may have led to the rise of IS. But that's not a reason to do nothing now. If you mess up somewhere, you should at least clean up the mess you have caused.

The World is pretty big and there will always be conflicts. Sometimes an intervention of a superpower is neccessary to prevent worse things to happen. I'm not the greatest Fan of US politics, there are more than enough reasons to criticise them. But especially as a German, I'm also happy they freed Europe in WW2. Who knows what would have happened otherwise with crazy dictators like Stalin and Hitler.

So in the end, not everything the US does is Bad. There is no black and white in politics. You mustn't say "I hate everything the US does, no matter what it is". Such fanboyism is ok in Forums, it's getting on your nerves every now and them, but sometimes it's also funny. In politics, however, such a behavior becomes very very dangerous. Blind hate leads to Fascism and war. In the real world you should never prejudge People too quick, no matter where they come from and what they do. Only if we are able to understand each other, there might be a chance that we all can live peacefully together sometime in the future.

Pacifism is also not the answer to everything. It worked for Ghandi, but I can garantuee you that the IS wouldn't give a Single fuck about some people starving to death or something. Ghandi fought against relatively modern People. The IS are fanatics, they don't even think too much. They just do what their Leaders tell them and those Leaders refer to an old book that they misinterpret all the Time. At least I don't remember the Koran saying killing people is cool.



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outlawauron said:
Dallinor said:
NobleTeam360 said:

Considering I don't have a job I couldn't fund it, and it's not like the American people are given a choice on how that tax money is spent.

So you've never bought anything in your life? Saying you don't have a choice isn't the same as not doing it at all.

Also you can't consider hit and run cowardly. It takes courage to fight in almost any situation

Well, this isn't true.

"Almost"

As a form of warfare, it only seems cowardly to the larger force. It's war though, adjectives like that are largely irrelevant when looking at the big picture.



 

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OdinHades said:
It isn't easy and I'm more than happy that I don't have to make that decision. But IS, for some reason, have unlimited Money. All hell broke loose in the middle east with the IS killing People in the Name of Allah. The NATO as well as the UN don't want to let such crimes against humanity happen. Problem is, besides the US, most of the NATO countries are pretty much defenseless. They didn't need their armies in the last few decades so they abandoned them. So in situations like these, they just do nothing, because they aren't able to. But that's some Bad Publicity, so they go ahead and tell people they do nothing because Peace and Shit.

Only the US with their massive Army remains to help other countries in situations like these. Remember that a number of States actually asked the US for help in the fight against IS. Even Saudi-Arabia is ok with it, although a little skeptical. And yes, I do remember the Iraq war of George Bush. He had no right to do it and it may have led to the rise of IS. But that's not a reason to do nothing now. If you mess up somewhere, you should at least clean up the mess you have caused.

The World is pretty big and there will always be conflicts. Sometimes an intervention of a superpower is neccessary to prevent worse things to happen. I'm not the greatest Fan of US politics, there are more than enough reasons to criticise them. But especially as a German, I'm also happy they freed Europe in WW2. Who knows what would have happened otherwise with crazy dictators like Stalin and Hitler.

So in the end, not everything the US does is Bad. There is no black and white in politics. You mustn't say "I hate everything the US does, no matter what it is". Such fanboyism is ok in Forums, it's getting on your nerves every now and them, but sometimes it's also funny. In politics, however, such a behavior becomes very very dangerous. Blind hate leads to Fascism and war. In the real world you should never prejudge People too quick, no matter where they come from and what they do. Only if we are able to understand each other, there might be a chance that we all can live peacefully together sometime in the future.

Pacifism is also not the answer to everything. It worked for Ghandi, but I can garantuee you that the IS wouldn't give a Single fuck about some people starving to death or something. Ghandi fought against relatively modern People. The IS are fanatics, they don't even think too much. They just do what their Leaders tell them and those Leaders refer to an old book that they misinterpret all the Time. At least I don't remember the Koran saying killing people is cool.

Well said as a non-American, Im American and dont agree with everything the gov't does but someone needs to do something about Isil/Isis. I think people forget about the good America does too.



Nem said:
ps3-sales! said:
Completely agreed.

Similar to WW2. We should have just let Hitler do his thing. Starting conflict and war with Germany was bad for America.


Love this mind-set. We would all be living under Hitlers thumb by now.Can you imagine delving into the german language and no freedom of speech.

Yup, that was totally not worth it.

 

You know, the problem with terrorists and dictators is they dont know when to stop. They just keep going. At some point it becomes too late to stop them and then we get something like Genghis Khan. Bet those debts were really big deals versus genocide.


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA,  If you really believe that you need to relearn history Germany was already losing and falling back from Russia's advance's before D-day had happened.

Battle of the Dnieper http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Dnieper#Battle_of_Kiev and Operation Bagration http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Bagration are what broke the German army.

 

It is estimated that 1.5 million german soldiers served on the western front between D-Day and VE-day.  Compared to the Eastern Front's over 10 million dead and taken prisoner alone.



Mr Khan said:
Because if you let ISIS go, then the region just festers with terrorists having free reign to do whatever, and so they coordinate and plan the next 9/11.

The world is too interconnected now to just write off one region, let it completely go to shit and say "it's okay, it doesn't effect us at home." It will, it will just take time to come home to roost.

Now, this doesn't mean you can just go in, guns a blazing, kill stuff and think that will solve the problem either, but action is needed. Thoughtful action.

However, 9/11 only happened because of American intervention in the first place. If there was no intervention the U.S would not be a target, or at least not as big of a target as it is now. Preventative warfare is only necessary for states that get into everybody's business in the first place. 



sc94597 said:
Mr Khan said:
Because if you let ISIS go, then the region just festers with terrorists having free reign to do whatever, and so they coordinate and plan the next 9/11.

The world is too interconnected now to just write off one region, let it completely go to shit and say "it's okay, it doesn't effect us at home." It will, it will just take time to come home to roost.

Now, this doesn't mean you can just go in, guns a blazing, kill stuff and think that will solve the problem either, but action is needed. Thoughtful action.

However, 9/11 only happened because of American intervention in the first place. If there was no intervention the U.S would not be a target, or at least not as big of a target as it is now. Preventative warfare is only necessary for states that get into everybody's business in the first place. 

well that is the official story most people go along with anyway

they don't consider that osama bin laden did not claim responsibility for the event

and also the mountain of evidence that the buildings weren't brought down by the planes which were flown into them



sc94597 said:
Mr Khan said:
Because if you let ISIS go, then the region just festers with terrorists having free reign to do whatever, and so they coordinate and plan the next 9/11.

The world is too interconnected now to just write off one region, let it completely go to shit and say "it's okay, it doesn't effect us at home." It will, it will just take time to come home to roost.

Now, this doesn't mean you can just go in, guns a blazing, kill stuff and think that will solve the problem either, but action is needed. Thoughtful action.

However, 9/11 only happened because of American intervention in the first place. If there was no intervention the U.S would not be a target, or at least not as big of a target as it is now. Preventative warfare is only necessary for states that get into everybody's business in the first place. 

You can be intervention-happy without pissing people off (or at least pissing as many people off). Even setting aside the matter of Israel, folks like Osama were and are mad at us for helping to prop up the corrupt monarchies (granted, if the choice is corrupt monarchy and radical jihadist state, the former is the lesser evil, but we can tolerate moderate Islamist states like Morsi's Egypt or the present Tunisia).

It more speaks to the long-term failures of Kissinger-style realpolitik. Populist anger in affected countries simmer, and your name becomes mud, making it much harder to exercise soft-power leverage over them in the future.



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