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Clyde32 said:
bubblegamer said:
Clyde32 said:
Toastboy, you are treading on dangerous paths. You need to use your words carefully.

Or else?


I'm not suggesting anything, but I saw his last ban message. This is just my warning to him. 

Well i don't agree with his view, but he's not hurting anyone with wishful thinking.



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bubblegamer said:
Clyde32 said:
bubblegamer said:
Clyde32 said:
Toastboy, you are treading on dangerous paths. You need to use your words carefully.

Or else?


I'm not suggesting anything, but I saw his last ban message. This is just my warning to him. 

Well i don't agree with his view, but he's not hurting anyone with wishful thinking.

Like I said I'm not suggesting anything. This thread is fine, but he needs to know where the line is.



Clyde32 said:
Toastboy, you are treading on dangerous paths. You need to use your words carefully.

I'm positive that toasty won't get himself perma'd THAT easily!



                
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Seece said:
eva01beserk said:
prayformojo said:
Nem said:

Xbox's biggest problem is that the PS4 does everything they do better. 


This isn't true. The Xbone does some things better. The problem is a PR one (DRM/180 etc).


Please tell me some of those things.

What are the things PS4 does better other than hardware power?

That is literally all there is between the two from an unbiased POV.

This guy gets it. Why cant everyone else? God bless you good sir!



Clyde32 said:
Seece said:

The version their friends are playing, with the exclusives they like? How do you think PS3 multiplats sold well?

And who's going to be the first 'friend' to get what system? I saw it myself at the start of this generation, some die hard Xbox fans said they would have gotten Xbox for halo if, and I quote, "Xbox didn't turn stupid". That is a direct quote from one of them. 

Question: So the only thing Xbox has over PS4 is Halo then?


I don't know, toss up isn't it? WW 1/3 chance it's an xbox friend, 2/3 it's PS4,  in the US it's 50/50. Xbox has Halo over PS4 like PS4 has Uncharted over Xbox. What are you even going on about?

Looking from it from an unbiased POV the only thing PS4 has over XB1 is the slight power advantage. That doesn't automatically mean everyone will get a PS4 because of that advantage, because if they have friends on Xbox One, if they want to stay in the Xbox eco system, like the exclusives, like the System OS ect, that is all far more sway worthy than PS4 being a bit more powerful.

I swear I just typed all of this out, please don't make me have to do it again.



 

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Seece said:
Nicklesbe said:
eva01beserk said:

Maybe. But power alone justifys the purchase for the same price. Can either of you tell me something the x1 does better that justifys the price parity with the ps4?


Don't forget that ps4 also does games better, interface better, customer service better, multiplayer better, variety better, 3rd party better, 1st party better, premium online service better, so yeah add in controller and hardware and it's easy to see ps4 does everything better. Which explains the 2:1 margin.

And that is all entirely opinion only. None of what you stated is factual like the hardware advantage.

@eva - to someone entirely on the fence then yesy, the extra juice in PS4 is worth the purchase over an XB1. But choices like that are not made in a vaccume, and where your friends are, what exclusives you like and the OS/system are far greater, important to take into consideration (given the power gap isn't showing to be huge anymore).

My point was, PS4 does not do lots of things better, it does one thing better, hardware power. And not by a huge margin.


Your point was that it is purly your opinion that it does not do a lot of things better. An opinion that stems from very little bases. The opinion that they infact do do all those things better actually does have bases according to studies of peoples opinion and general game scores as well as quantity and quality of released games. The fact that it does games better is just as much a fact as their hardware is better. They opened the doors for indie devs, they listened to and designed the console based on input directly from the big AAA devs. Their games have a better score, people want them more and there are more of them. At some point you have to realize that when a 2:1 majority of gamers on the planet have the same opinion based on personal experiance then it's clear one opinion holds more weight and is based on fact and the other isn't.



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Seece said:


I don't know, toss up isn't it? WW 1/3 chance it's an xbox friend, 2/3 it's PS4,  in the US it's 50/50. Xbox has Halo over PS4 like PS4 has Uncharted over Xbox. What are you even going on about?

I lost track mid-message as well. That's why I had the question at the end. 



Seece said:
Nirvana_Nut85 said:
Seece said:
Nirvana_Nut85 said:

I can't see the Wii U selling less than 3.5 million this holiday. As I stated earlier, they have a significantly stronger holiday lineup (Smash & MK8 along with better bundles), more momentum that the previous holiday and we have yet to see the Ammibo effect.

As for shipments  the Wii U only shipping 600k  doesn't seem realistic this quarter, considering  it is already nearing 500k in sales since June 30th and ahead of the XBO momentarily. I don't forsee sales of the XBO reaching more than 400k for this month and Wii U less than 250k - 300k, which would put the XBO ahead by 100k or so for the quarter. 

I guess if M$ over stuff retailers and their stores they could ship 1.6 mill but I can't see the Nintendo shipping under 1 million globally either.

Nintendo shipped 500k last Q with Mario Kart. They were also doing better in Japan, Europe and the US (140k in June last Q down to 80k July).

Yes, however July alone was close to the combined sales of April + May (MK8 boosted the last few days), and August is slightly under July. The Wii U has almost sold 500k in 2 months. Add on September when sales begin to pick up again which I believe Nintendo will at least see 60-65k weeks with around 85k for Hyrule Warriors launch. (Around 750k sales this Q and 1 mill plus for shipments).

None of that will happen. August sales will be stable/see further drops in the US, so about 20k a week in US, 15k in Europe, and it's stabalised at 8k a week in Japan. It's really barely pipping 50k.



August has not stabilized, it was all over the place as we've seen two week hovering around 59k, then a week above 65k and a mid 50k week. I wouldn't call that barely pipping 50k either. September, historically  is when console sales begin to pick up again from mid summers #'s (I can see a drop to low 50's week ending August 30th before picking back up week ending September 7th) . The only reason last years sales in August were close to September was due to the announced price drop of the Wii U in September (sub 20k weeks) for that month and Pikmin 3 in August. 

With Hyrule Warriors, Disney Infinity 2.0, SM3DW deluxe bundle, MK8 deluxe bundle and the current momentum I believe my numbers will not be far off from being more accurate than a low 50k weekly month for September. 

 



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Seece said:
Clyde32 said:
Seece said:

 

 


I don't know, toss up isn't it? WW 1/3 chance it's an xbox friend, 2/3 it's PS4,  in the US it's 50/50. Xbox has Halo over PS4 like PS4 has Uncharted over Xbox. What are you even going on about?

Looking from it from an unbiased POV the only thing PS4 has over XB1 is the slight power advantage. That doesn't automatically mean everyone will get a PS4 because of that advantage, because if they have friends on Xbox One, if they want to stay in the Xbox eco system, like the exclusives, like the System OS ect, that is all far more sway worthy than PS4 being a bit more powerful.

I swear I just typed all of this out, please don't make me have to do it again.

One little correction here, it is by no means 50/50 in the US. Using VGC numbers it is more like 44/56 in the PS4s favor. That's a solid and growing margin.

Of course there are reasons for someone to buy the Xbox One over the PS4, but that ever growing gap is going to make it harder and harder down the road.



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Nicklesbe said:
Seece said:
Nicklesbe said:


Don't forget that ps4 also does games better, interface better, customer service better, multiplayer better, variety better, 3rd party better, 1st party better, premium online service better, so yeah add in controller and hardware and it's easy to see ps4 does everything better. Which explains the 2:1 margin.

And that is all entirely opinion only. None of what you stated is factual like the hardware advantage.

@eva - to someone entirely on the fence then yesy, the extra juice in PS4 is worth the purchase over an XB1. But choices like that are not made in a vaccume, and where your friends are, what exclusives you like and the OS/system are far greater, important to take into consideration (given the power gap isn't showing to be huge anymore).

My point was, PS4 does not do lots of things better, it does one thing better, hardware power. And not by a huge margin.


Your point was that it is purly your opinion that it does not do a lot of things better. An opinion that stems from very little bases. The opinion that they infact do do all those things better actually does have bases according to studies of peoples opinion and general game scores as well as quantity and quality of released games. The fact that it does games better is just as much a fact as their hardware is better. They opened the doors for indie devs, they listened to and designed the console based on input directly from the big AAA devs. Their games have a better score, people want them more and there are more of them. At some point you have to realize that when a 2:1 majority of gamers on the planet have the same opinion based on personal experiance then it's clear one opinion holds more weight and is based on fact and the other isn't.

So seece actually tryed to negate a coment based on opinon with his opinion? Sure cuz his word is better then the majority.

@sceece: What your saying that people who where already planing to get the console are going to buy it anyways. I agree with that, thats why we call them fans. But that number of gamers is actually a lot smaller then the grand total and is reflected in the sales. Most people are on the fence cuz they dont care about what you mentione, they care about the games and will play them on the best console with the biggest comunity in case they like multyplayer.



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