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Seece on 29 August 2014
spurgeonryan said:

 

http://www.big-bang-theory.com/

 

So where did black holes come from or singularities? What was before the big bang? What made whatever it is that made the big bang? Where did the thing that made the big bang come from? What made the thing that made the thing that made the big bang? Are black holes slowly swallowing up the universe again until everything is sucked up again and they get so full that they expode a new universe out in another billion years? If so then how long till Humans evolve out of Big Bang matter again? Will we look the same or will something else emerge?

Does this all depend on luck and chance and science, so we could not possibly know when we would evolve into humans again after the second big bang? How do we know this is not the first big bang? How many big bangs have there been? What started the original Big Bang? What made the thing that started the original big bang? Is a big bang just another reality exploding into a new reality? Is the old reality/alternate dimension still there? Who made that alternate dimension? Seems like time and space is so full that we could all explode at any minute.

Fuck it! I will just continue to believe in God. You got to have more faith to believe in Galaxies banging than My Homie G making it all.


Where did god come from? If you can believe he appeared out of literally nowhere, why not the big bang? Either way we will never get answers, but it's a really poor conclusion to come to "Just believe in god because nothing else makes sense, even tho this doesn't make sense either!"



 

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Soundwave on 29 August 2014
Seece said:
spurgeonryan said:

 

http://www.big-bang-theory.com/

 

So where did black holes come from or singularities? What was before the big bang? What made whatever it is that made the big bang? Where did the thing that made the big bang come from? What made the thing that made the thing that made the big bang? Are black holes slowly swallowing up the universe again until everything is sucked up again and they get so full that they expode a new universe out in another billion years? If so then how long till Humans evolve out of Big Bang matter again? Will we look the same or will something else emerge?

Does this all depend on luck and chance and science, so we could not possibly know when we would evolve into humans again after the second big bang? How do we know this is not the first big bang? How many big bangs have there been? What started the original Big Bang? What made the thing that started the original big bang? Is a big bang just another reality exploding into a new reality? Is the old reality/alternate dimension still there? Who made that alternate dimension? Seems like time and space is so full that we could all explode at any minute.

Fuck it! I will just continue to believe in God. You got to have more faith to believe in Galaxies banging than My Homie G making it all.


Where did god come from? If you can believe he appeared out of literally nowhere, why not the big bang? Either way we will never get answers, but it's a really poor conclusion to come to "Just believe in god because nothing else makes sense, even tho this doesn't make sense either!"

lol, well said. Even if there is a "god(s)" who's to say it resembles anything the human concept of a "space daddy". 

Most religions come from a time period where the people writing the "sacred holy texts" would probably faint at the sight of a working toilet and likely have to you killed for sorcery if they saw your iPhone. Middle eastern goat herders from 2000+ years ago probably aren't the best authority on how the universe works. 



ICStats on 29 August 2014
VXIII said:
Soriku said:
ikki5 said
VXIII said:

The first "cause", someone / something that is beyond the law of physics, timeless, and like no other thing that you can observe or fully understand.

 

Either you are a religious or "scientific", it requires you lot of faith to form a belief about this subject. The two debating camps have a lot in common and they never really realized it.


Not really, unless you take a deist perspective of god. Where some god created the universe but has since remained indifferent to it. The thing is we've always came up with a natural explanation for everything in science. There has never been one time where scientists concluded that something supernatural must have taken place. So if you just follow the pattern thus far, there's not much reason to expect a supernatural origin.


Waiting is your answer to the OP then? That hopefully scientists would come up with a natural explanation for the question in hand. Fair enough, but I call that faith in science.

Faith definition: "Complete trust or confidence in someone or something" :)

Oh yes, but what you have complete trust or confidence in makes a lot of difference.

- If you have faith the Earth is flat, it's just a guess.  You haven't been far enough, you don't have the tools to tell that it's flat or not, that's why you guessed wrong.  There are a lot of things people had pure faith in which turned out wrong, or remain unproven.  In fact at the time when our major religions were written, people didn't know a whole lot compared to what they do now.

- If you have faith that you can fly and pilot a giant robot with frikin' lazers on Mars then you are a trust and confidence Ninja who has done work until you could gain that confidence.

- Science is a process, and yes you can have faith in a process.  Like, I have faith that if you lay bricks one on top of another you will build something.

Science isn't waiting to find something, it's just expanding our understanding.  It's easy to have faith in that, given how far we've come.  What's the rush?  Is someone hurrying you to choose between waiting for understanding, and choosing the Flying Spaghetty Monster by Friday?  If some theory doesn't make sense to you, then you don't have to choose it.



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VXIII on 29 August 2014
ICStats said:
VXIII said:
Soriku said:
ikki5 said
VXIII said:


Waiting is your answer to the OP then? That hopefully scientists would come up with a natural explanation for the question in hand. Fair enough, but I call that faith in science.

Faith definition: "Complete trust or confidence in someone or something" :)

Oh yes, but what you have complete trust or confidence in makes a lot of difference.

- If you have faith the Earth is flat, it's just a guess.  You haven't been far enough, you don't have the tools to tell that it's flat or not, that's why you guessed wrong.  There are a lot of things people had pure faith in which turned out wrong, or remain unproven.  In fact at the time when our major religions were written, people didn't know a whole lot compared to what they do now.

- If you have faith that you can fly and pilot a giant robot with frikin' lazers on Mars then you are a trust and confidence Ninja who has done work until you could gain that confidence.

- Science is a process, and yes you can have faith in a process.  Like, I have faith that if you lay bricks one on top of another you will build something.

Science isn't waiting to find something, it's just expanding our understanding.  It's easy to have faith in that, given how far we've come.  What's the rush?  Is someone hurrying you to choose between waiting for understanding, and choosing the Flying Spaghetty Monster by Friday?  If some theory doesn't make sense to you, then you don't have to choose it.

That's something I respect and understand, science refine faith, and when science say its word it is ultimate answer,  1+1=2, no question about it.

However, assuming science can answer everything in life because science is expanding our understanding is pure faith in science, there are aspects in life that are as old as life itself and have been subject of reseach forever, yet we are still not even close to begin to understand it, in fact, we haven't even taken a small step. Understanding consciousness/soul for example, what happens after death, where does that consciousness go? or maybe it becomes nothing, do nothingness exist / existed? 

My main point is that there are different philosophies, and faith... A lot of faith, which is an essential part of human mind. My problem is that whenever a debate happens it turns into circus. A lot of arrogance and statement lager than life, blindness to any kind of knowledge. Let's not pretend something that we are not, no one is all knowing like some people act.. and usually young people too.

Only my take on the subject.



KungKras on 29 August 2014

We have evidence of the big bang. Trying to decide what came before is very very hard, but at least we're working on it and trying to find the answer from observing reality instead of observing ancient texts.



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Frank_kc on 29 August 2014

No need to look around, just read what the Holy Quran about universe creation and the big bang theory 14 hundred years ago.

"DO THEY NOT THE UNBELIEVERS SEE THAT THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH WERE JOINED TOGETHER (AS ONE UNIT OF CREATION) BEFORE WE CLOVE THEM ASUNDER? WE MADE FROM WATER EVERY LIVING THING. WILL THEY NOT THEN BELIEVE? "




The Fury on 29 August 2014

Reed Richards.


More in line with what you want though, I believe it is rolling cycle, it explodes, expands, contracts, explodes, etc Over time we cannot comprehend. What baffles though is the idea of what the universe is expanding into. Does space have an edge? The universe may only be the 'matter' within it so outside of that is nothing but what then?



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VXIII on 29 August 2014
Frank_kc said:

"DO THEY NOT THE UNBELIEVERS SEE THAT THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH WERE JOINED TOGETHER (AS ONE UNIT OF CREATION) BEFORE WE CLOVE THEM ASUNDER? WE MADE FROM WATER EVERY LIVING THING. WILL THEY NOT THEN BELIEVE? "

"...We have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it.... "

Expanding universe (galactic redshift) is also an evidence of the big bang.



akhmenhawk on 29 August 2014
VXIII said:
Frank_kc said:

"DO THEY NOT THE UNBELIEVERS SEE THAT THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH WERE JOINED TOGETHER (AS ONE UNIT OF CREATION) BEFORE WE CLOVE THEM ASUNDER? WE MADE FROM WATER EVERY LIVING THING. WILL THEY NOT THEN BELIEVE? "

"...We have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it.... "

Expanding universe (galactic redshift) is also an evidence of the big bang.

The expansion is accelarating.. 



VXIII on 29 August 2014
akhmenhawk said:
VXIII said:
Frank_kc said:

"DO THEY NOT THE UNBELIEVERS SEE THAT THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH WERE JOINED TOGETHER (AS ONE UNIT OF CREATION) BEFORE WE CLOVE THEM ASUNDER? WE MADE FROM WATER EVERY LIVING THING. WILL THEY NOT THEN BELIEVE? "

"...We have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it.... "

Expanding universe (galactic redshift) is also an evidence of the big bang.

The expansion is accelarating.. 

You made me re-read the original text in Arabic and I think you're right. 

"وَالسَّمَاء بَنَيْنَاهَا بِأَيْدٍ وَإِنَّا لَمُوسِعُونَ"

It reads literally like this ".. And we have constructed heaven with hands (means will and might) and we are expanding it"

Thanks.