I don't think something outside of our understanding causing the universe defies logic at all. Just because time exists now as we know it does not (from a logical perspective) mean that time has always existed. Provided that time has not always existed, logic would say it is perfectly reasonable to believe that God has just always existed, or even that the beginnings of the big bang has just always existed.

Assuming the rest of your post makes logical sense (though it really doesn't), which god are you refering to? The Aberhamic god? Brahman? Orisis? Tepeu? Someone that nobody has thought of yet?

Only 1 religion is the true religion. The others are a result of the devil trying to deceive people. Common sense man.

All hail the flying spaghetti monster!

I don't really understand why there is a debate at all. People have as much chance of comprehending a situation outside the parameters of the universe they live in as they do of imagining infinity. You can't.

It's not religion vs science, it's philosophy vs philosophy.

The value of triumph. It is high in the mind of debating people, the feeling of victory is satisfying.

On the other hand, the value of acceptance and understanding is so low. So one side only looking for counter argument without really trying to find the truth or get a knowledge out of it.

"long dispute proves that both sides are wrong"

Is it really due to lack of effort to finding the truth though? In my case, the reason I approach the debate by shunning the logic of the religious is to get them to quit babbling at me regarding things I don't want to hear, as I have largely accepted it (the "beginning" of the universe) is something I will very likely never have the ability to understand in my lifetime. So there isn't really a reachable truth or knowledge to be had. There is a very high likelihood that no matter how many resoures we put towards attempting to discover the answer, we will still not know in any of our lifetimes.

The paradox is that "endlessness" is beyond human logic, but at the same time our logic tells us existence of forces & time must be endless.

The mythology of "gods" that humans have written may be a real message, or may be complete baloney, but the conclusion of human logic has to be: there is "something", a force, a law of nature, a god, something that is endless without a doubt, but we can not and may never understand.

It's possible that when we die we will find out, or it's also possible that we are an accidental germ in this universe that stops living and never finds out what's really going on with our endless universe.

The way I would imagine something endless is like a circle. A circle has no beginning or end, but it has points on it.

I wish everyone would just recognize science and spirituality as the same thing.