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o_O.Q said:

well for me ultimately i believe that our logical understanding of the universe is not enough to explain what caused it 

so it leads me to the conclusion that something outside of our understanding must have caused it or god 

something that as the saying goes defies logic

i also think that its quite likely that a lot of the conclusions we have drawn about the universe and the nature of reality itself are themselves wrong

 

then there's also the possiblility as someone said that the universe itself is infinite and has no cause or end

I don't think something outside of our understanding causing the universe defies logic at all. Just because time exists now as we know it does not (from a logical perspective) mean that time has always existed. Provided that time has not always existed, logic would say it is perfectly reasonable to believe that God has just always existed, or even that the beginnings of the big bang has just always existed.



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