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VXIII said:
akhmenhawk said:
VXIII said:
Frank_kc said:

"DO THEY NOT THE UNBELIEVERS SEE THAT THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH WERE JOINED TOGETHER (AS ONE UNIT OF CREATION) BEFORE WE CLOVE THEM ASUNDER? WE MADE FROM WATER EVERY LIVING THING. WILL THEY NOT THEN BELIEVE? "


"...We have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it.... "

Expanding universe (galactic redshift) is also an evidence of the big bang.

The expansion is accelarating.. 

You made me re-read the original text in Arabic and I think you're right. 

"وَالسَّمَاء بَنَيْنَاهَا بِأَيْدٍ وَإِنَّا لَمُوسِعُونَ"

It reads literally like this ".. And we have constructed heaven with hands (means will and might) and we are expanding it"

Thanks.

Indeed, its all in there, 14 hundred years ago.



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Mystro-Sama said:

Most Atheists i've spoken to dropped the smartass attitude after that question. Not to mention that they can't seem to answer the question of how an existence without consciousness can create an existence with consciousness.

that's really devoid of logic.

Not knowing the answer to a question doesn't make the idea of a god any less ridiculous.



There was a cell that exploded and bam! Big Bang! Where did that cell come from? That's the question that you should be asking people that believe in this theory.



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Normchacho said:
ikki5 said:

Lets see, it is either God, or nothing. But of course you cannot create something from nothing so therefore God, but then, who created God some might say, personally, I'd Say God is God and he's always been there as He is God. But then you get the argument that maybe all the components where there from the beginning but then still that doesn't make sense as you obviously cannot have anything without something there to create it... so we get into the ferocious circle... which leaves me to again say God again. Also because if it there wasn't a creator, we got order from chaos and order that was maintained somehow amid chaos so I can't see that happening so I see that there had to be something that guided it all and that someone would be God.


Assuming the rest of your post makes logical sense (though it really doesn't), which god are you refering to? The Aberhamic god? Brahman? Orisis? Tepeu? Someone that nobody has thought of yet?

Me personally, the Christian God. But everyone has their own version of God. Also, it is hard to make sense of something that doesn't make logical sense to begin with. lol



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We are all going to die anyway.

Best response ever



Mystro-Sama said:

Most Atheists i've spoken to dropped the smartass attitude after that question. Not to mention that they can't seem to answer the question of how an existence without consciousness can create an existence with consciousness.


The big bang is as far back as we can observe our universe. A single point of massive energy that rapidly expanded billions of years ago.  With our technology as it is we cannot see before that point.  However, given how much we've learned past few thousand years have no doubt we will be able to better understand it as knowledge and tehcnology advance.  Saying "I don't know" is not a weakness to me, saying "I don't want to know" is.

Second point is generally down to a reversal of logic.  We have consciousness so hard for us to make sense of neutral natural forces such as gravity and electro magnetism.  We projected across all cultures various super natural exlanations for these, and in time replaced those by understanding gravity didn't think, it just is.  Now if you're asking how we could achieve consciousness again the reversal exists. Hard for us to imagine that our consciousness is a by product of our physical development.  Species existed for millions of years with no need for the type of higher level abstract thought homo sapiens are capable of and without mass extinction events possible never would have come to past.  Our large brains gave us a competitive edge and allowed us to survive and over time we slowly used those minds to create language, art, and civilization.  Keep in mind it took our ancestors tens of thousands of years just to make use of fire or learn how to grow food; the past 300 years have seen the real explosion in our development with industrialization and ratcheting knoweldge.



the_dengle said:
o_O.Q said:
the_dengle said:
I wish everyone would just recognize science and spirituality as the same thing.


people have become too materialistic believing that the only things that matter are the things we can measure with our instruments

Please, the other side is just as stubborn. Studying the Universe is a profound experience. Anyone who uses science to justify their atheism doesn't know the meaning of the word miracle, and is little more than a pretender. But the same is true of a religious person who faces the Universe with a closed mind, refusing to allow the truth to deepen their connection to the cosmos.

Scientific study is one of the most enlightening experiences available to people, no matter their religion or lack thereof, regardless of how many Gods they believe in, if any. Questions like the OP are important. It's also important to keep asking them, and not simply settle for an answer like "whatever, God did it." Maybe we will never find another answer, but it is through questions such as these that we have learned so much about our place in the Universe. The more we learn, the more questions we raise -- the more miracles we uncover.

seeing things as someone who is relegated to one "side" or another doesn't really help in the long run i think but anyway

i'm not denying the value of scientific study, but i think what is needed is a balance instead of jumping to either extreme, that people should see the value in both

and with regards to what i said about god i'm simply seeing that as the initial cause for the universe

so we'd still have to try to investigate it to determine its exact nature but as i said before i don't think its something we'll be able to understand with our current methods of investigation that we'll have to expand our world view



I find it inappropriate to put this in politics. As for what caused the Big Bang, nobody knows. We only have science that explains the universe to a very tiny fraction of a second after the big bang. Some mathematical hypotheses (like String Theory) speculate on the real nature of "existence" before the Big Bang, but they are not science yet.