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Frogger on 27 August 2014
tbone51 said:


I think your Like the only one that thinks [insert $ + #Characters] is a rip off.

Also your comparison is only to that of MK8, which is probably the best dlc from a content + money view (another good dlc was definitely NSLU for $20).

Why not compare all dlcs, and as JW pointed out, there is a difference between MK8+SSB (for the characters).


Because, as I've stated, all other DLC's have been rip offs. I don't inheritely like DLC. Short of it being a huge expansion of a game, it doesn't belong. Especially not in a game like Smash.



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Frogger on 27 August 2014
tbone51 said:

The thing is, without DLC, SSB has always had a ton of content, it already feels like dlc is already implemented in the game. SSB4 was only suppose to have 40-45 characters in the game to begin with as Sakurai stated many cuts will follow as his priority was to make a balanced game first.

That said, we got so much already and i mean no offense to you, but your the only one that seems to think we're all going to get ripped off, when i can already tell you that melee/brawl players would of paid $20-$30 just for 2-5 characters to be put in the game. Thisis SSB the most iconic roster of any game of all time!!!


Well no offense to those players, but I think they're far too easily swayed if they'd actually be willing to pay $20 for 5 characters and not feel ripped off.



tbone51 on 27 August 2014
spemanig said:
tbone51 said:


I think your Like the only one that thinks [insert $ + #Characters] is a rip off.

Also your comparison is only to that of MK8, which is probably the best dlc from a content + money view (another good dlc was definitely NSLU for $20).

Why not compare all dlcs, and as JW pointed out, there is a difference between MK8+SSB (for the characters).


Because, as I've stated, all other DLC's have been rip offs. I don't inheritely like DLC. Short of it being a huge expansion of a game, it doesn't belong. Especially not in a game like Smash.


Thats why majority of nintendo games put out all the content from the beginning. SSB4 will have (-the SSE) the most content of all ssb, in fact its going to feel like it has more especially with customizable Specials.

MK8 DLC is awesome, not only for the price but its practically giving you an extra half of mario kart within a year of release. As a bonus its not just going to be mario themed, but Nintendo themed! F F***ing Zero Track @.@



Frogger on 27 August 2014
tbone51 said:

Thats why majority of nintendo games put out all the content from the beginning. SSB4 will have (-the SSE) the most content of all ssb, in fact its going to feel like it has more especially with customizable Specials.

MK8 DLC is awesome, not only for the price but its practically giving you an extra half of mario kart within a year of release. As a bonus its not just going to be mario themed, but Nintendo themed! F F***ing Zero Track @.@


Exactly, which is why following that with 5 characters and a few stages for $20 is bullshit. Half the content for $12 vs less than 10% of the content for $20.



AZWification on 27 August 2014
MoHasanie said:
Nintendo's DLC is much better value than anything everyone else offers so I'm sure Smash Bros DLC will be great too.

Pretty much this! If the Mario Kart 8 DLC is anything to go by, then Smash's DLC will also kick ass !



                
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tbone51 on 27 August 2014
spemanig said:
tbone51 said:

Thats why majority of nintendo games put out all the content from the beginning. SSB4 will have (-the SSE) the most content of all ssb, in fact its going to feel like it has more especially with customizable Specials.

MK8 DLC is awesome, not only for the price but its practically giving you an extra half of mario kart within a year of release. As a bonus its not just going to be mario themed, but Nintendo themed! F F***ing Zero Track @.@


Exactly, which is why following that with 5 characters and a few stages for $20 is bullshit. Half the content for $12 vs less than 10% of the content for $20.


Ok, but the thing like i mentioned before is that this is one of the best deals for dlc ever. Just because something doesn't match it doesn't make it a rip off.

Here is an example of what i mean... Was Pokemon Gen 3/Gen 4/Gen 5/Gen 6 a rip off? They obviously progressed with each generation in terms of mechanics,etc yet Gen 2 is the only one with 2 regions (16 badges) and best aftergame by far. So doesn't that automatically make all pokemon rip offs since 1999? No it just makes Gold/Silver a great value (like MK8 dlc)



Frogger on 27 August 2014
tbone51 said:

Ok, but the thing like i mentioned before is that this is one of the best deals for dlc ever. Just because something doesn't match it doesn't make it a rip off.

Here is an example of what i mean... Was Pokemon Gen 3/Gen 4/Gen 5/Gen 6 a rip off? They obviously progressed with each generation in terms of mechanics,etc yet Gen 2 is the only one with 2 regions (16 badges) and best aftergame by far. So doesn't that automatically make all pokemon rip offs since 1999? No it just makes Gold/Silver a great value (like MK8 dlc)

Kanto and Johto are the smallest regions by far. What the other games lack in frivolous gym leaders, and extra regions, they make up for in double the land mass, and bonus content like Pokemon Contests, the battle frontier, etc. And more Pokemon.

But fine. $12 for all that was an impossibly good deal. I expected to pay $20 for it and thought that would be a great deal. So for $20 in Smash, I expect 16 characters, 16 alternate costumes, and 8 stages. And I expect some sort of crossbuy deal. Anything less than THAT would be a ripoff.



JWeinCom on 27 August 2014
spemanig said:
JWeinCom said:
So... you think 15 dollars for 24 characters and 8 stages would be a fair deal? That's less than 50 cents per item not including the alternate costumes. That would be an insanely good deal, but a bit unrealistic. I'm aware of the price of the Mario Kart DLC, but creating a Mario Kart character or Kart would be considerably less work than a Smash character. All of the balancing necessary would make the Smash stuff a bit more costly in all likelyhood.

I think 10 bucks for about 4 characters and 2 or 3 stages would be fair. 15 for 6-8 characters and 5-6 stages would also be fine.


The lowest I would go for new new characters is like $8 for 8 characters, like 4 stages, and like 8 alternate costumes. Two packs with both for $12, just like with Mario Kart 8 would be fine. Anything less for more is a ripoff to me.

Then you have unrealistic expectations. 

Edit:  The comparison to Mario Kart is not apt.  In Mario Kart, you can simply make a track, see how it functions, and go from there.  Characters are simply a matter of textures and stats.  Any character in SSB has to interact with every other character.  That means tons of testing, balancing, and so on.  

On the other hand, adding a track does not in any way effect the other tracks, nor does adding a new character really effect the rest of the roster, assuming their stats aren't totally out of line.

 

Expecting them to add 24 characters to a roster of 48 is a balancing nightmare, and would likely be more work than the tracks (although I'm not a game designer, so I don't know) so expecting it to be the same relative price is not realistic.



tbone51 on 27 August 2014
spemanig said:
tbone51 said:

Ok, but the thing like i mentioned before is that this is one of the best deals for dlc ever. Just because something doesn't match it doesn't make it a rip off.

Here is an example of what i mean... Was Pokemon Gen 3/Gen 4/Gen 5/Gen 6 a rip off? They obviously progressed with each generation in terms of mechanics,etc yet Gen 2 is the only one with 2 regions (16 badges) and best aftergame by far. So doesn't that automatically make all pokemon rip offs since 1999? No it just makes Gold/Silver a great value (like MK8 dlc)

Kanto and Johto are the smallest regions by far. What the other games lack in frivolous gym leaders, and extra regions, they make up for in double the land mass, and bonus content like Pokemon Contests, the battle frontier, etc. And more Pokemon.

But fine. $12 for all that was an impossibly good deal. I expected to pay $20 for it and thought that would be a great deal. So for $20 in Smash, I expect 16 characters, 16 alternate costumes, and 8 stages. And I expect some sort of crossbuy deal. Anything less than THAT would be a ripoff.


Well, cant convince you unfortunately, hope it comes true but that is some veryhigh expectations. Imo its equivalent to wanting 60-80 new mega's for OmegaRuby/AlphaSapphire



episteme on 27 August 2014

I don't think that there will be Smash DLC.

Additional Mario Kart tracks and characters can't cause balance issues, but Smash characters can.
And I highly doubt it because of the things that Sakurai said about the character selection.