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ITT: High schoolers that think they know everything.

Are you surprised? The complete lack of experience and knowledge demonstrated in this thread by people who are pretending to know anything about the topic is... just... its why I stopped lurking and finally made an account.

On a sidenote, this sucks but I can still play The Last of Us Remastered so... meh. Not that bad.



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vivster said:
justgames7604 said:

No.... Please the basics of a DDos is to split the information to handlers and go after the target. There is a lot of ways to stop that, Ips based prevention, black holing and sink holing firewalls on switches, routers and servers, etc.

making thousands of bots isn't viable you compromise handlers. Because you would not have the bandwidth to make the amount of bots to take down a server farm.

Do you have any idea what you are talking about or are you just chaining words together to sound smart?

Stopping the packets from reaching the server is the easy task. That however doesn't free up the clogged lines to the datacenter. DDoS needs to be dealt with by the ISP or else any dropping of packets at the enterprise edge is meaningless if they're targeting all available WAN links including the backup WAN.

But even then it's a risk for the ISP because large scale blocking will also affect other sources and destinations.

The only way to successfully stop a large scale DDoS is being Google or MS or Amazon who have spare datacenters coming out of their asses to defer traffic.


Sir the original comments was that DDos can't be stopped and it can.  Also the packets can be stopped from reaching the server in the first place by being dropped into a null server and avoiding any risk to the ISP or target server. My original point was to say that a DDos can be stopped, even small scale DDos attacks are stopped by rate limiting on routers and switches. So yes I have a basic understanding of what I'm talking about, I don't claim to be an expert but I know of the basics to prevent and stop a DDos attack such as cleaning centers, black holing and sink holing. Please read the first comment, to witch I was referring. I wasn't trying to give a 10 hour lecture on advanced DDos for advanced forum posters that 'know what they are talking about'.

im just saying DDos can be stopped. I don't know everything and I don't claim to, such is the reason I don't go into detail because knowing of methods does not make me an expert it just means that I know of methods that can be used.



Systems Owned: PS1, PS2, PS3,PS4, Wii, WiiU, xbox, xbox 360, xbox one

IamPlethora said:
justgames7604 said:
IamPlethora said:


SHHH, this is sony's terrible servers didn;t anyone tell you? DDOS is impossible to stop, it is literally lots of communication hitting yuor server, only way top stop it is stop the servers. Can happen to anyoine.

No please, your modem will stop DDos. It will literally tell you if you are the victim of it and try to stop it (. You can download program's for servers and even antivirus and firewalls have basic functionality to stop it. 

dDos is not impossible to stop, if it was then any retard with cmd could bring down Sony, because you know a server can't tell that's it's serving 50 billion requests from the same IP and it should stop that.

type in DDos security and you will find literally hundreds of prevention program's. Please stop this misinformation.

ROFL, if it were that easy com,panies like Amazon, the gov would not always go down from them...Sorry a DDOS is just an overload of http  requests, there is no wya od distinguish , lol at your modem can stop DDOS, yet billion dollar orgs cannopt stop it.

 

The onyl to to fully stop DDOS is end packets being received which means no one can connect....Yoy don;t have a clue what you are talking about. It is not hitting just 1 server, ever hear of a server cluster?...your knowledge of this is embarassing.

A router can rate limit witch is basic functionality used to stop DDos. It's obviously not on the same scale...... I never said it's hitting one server. Please, Sony would have cleaning centers that handle traffic and should reject bad packets. You change from DDos can't be stopped to it can only be stopped in this way. But there are a lot of orevention methods, and yea there is ways to distinguish packets, packets are labeled with destination and sender IP address as well as time till death. Low level DDos attacks will be guaranteed caught if the sender ip is detected over and over again.



Systems Owned: PS1, PS2, PS3,PS4, Wii, WiiU, xbox, xbox 360, xbox one

Fusioncode said:
MoHasanie said:
Fusioncode said:
MoHasanie said:

You'd be surprised to know that companies are trying to hire them and are paying them big money to help improve their security. 

Source?

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-28737091

Considering a lot of them are criminals I don't think hiring them is a common practice.

It kind of is, wasn't it Google who even openly asked people to hack them 'penalty free' if they could they would be invited at a google and some work their now...



Firstly I'm tired of hearing avout DDOS attacks. This same kind of attacks why I can't even play Phantasy Star Online 2 any Fn more. The way it pisses me off that they try to use US the players as a reason to justify this BS... DDOS attacks are just a troll/s being a bunch of asses and aiming to temporarily take down a server. I also never stand in defence of hackers especially after 2011. People tried defending them like Sony didn't have the right to defend the PS3 from public hacks that was ruining the games smh. Anyways, since June, everyday I've tried to log into PSO2 and STILL can't because of the stupid ddos attack.
Also to the person who thinks a modem or IPS can block a DDOS attack. You should get some time and research why that has nothing on a big scale DDOS attack. These are usually organized. Captcha's are created to prevent these things you know lol. But it doesn't do anything against these attacks. Also didn't you hear of a IP mask or IP block or anythingn these are simple to do these days, can a server catch it. Yes but it can't immediately detect it. I've masked my ip to use American sites like Hulu because I'm in Canada, and you know what, it took Hulu 10 hours of me streaming to realize I was Masking my IP for service outside the states lol. If a streaming service can't immediately catch this. How do you think a company can stop a ddos attack.
Thinking about this just gets me so annoyed as I loved playing PSO2. These asses are trying to take down corperate greed, yet they took down a free to play PC/Vita game. PlayStation which imo is the most generous of the big 3 when it comes down to itm they also take them down while Sony has a flash sale where the games on sale are games that costumers requested lol. This logics amazing.
PS. I don't know what else these groups have taken down but I can't justify them making the users suffer...



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One the one day that I really need to use PSN. Twats.



Note I'm bot callindmg DDOS attacks hacking. Jist brought it up since people have stated havks etc in the thread



Fusioncode said:
Fucking hackers. They're the scum of the Earth. Just because they can't get anywhere in life outside of their mother's basement.

Such a stupid stereotype. Hackers like this who are able to mess around with big companies are genius (or evil genius I guess), they are masterminds in their work. Most of these guys probably have normal jobs and do this a hobby. where they gain probably more money than all the people in this thread combine. To be clear I'm not talking about morale or ethics, from a software engineering perspective these guys who are able to get inside big companies are masterminds and by far not an easy job at all.

As for your comment of companies not hiring hackers, not true at all and is a very common practice. Like I said above some of these guys are masterminds in hacking and security, if a company can get a hold on one of these guys they can pay him hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep their security safe, if they hack anyone else they don't care. There are also the 'white hats' which are basically good hackers who don't attack and their job is to keep a company's security safe, guys like the OP mentioned are called 'black hats' and they are the bad guys.



Nintendo and PC gamer

I'm online right now, haven't had any issues.



osed125 said:
Fusioncode said:
Fucking hackers. They're the scum of the Earth. Just because they can't get anywhere in life outside of their mother's basement.

Such a stupid stereotype. Hackers like this who are able to mess around with big companies are genius (or evil genius I guess), they are masterminds in their work. Most of these guys probably have normal jobs and do this a hobby. where they gain probably more money than all the people in this thread combine. To be clear I'm not talking about morale or ethics, from a software engineering perspective these guys who are able to get inside big companies are masterminds and by far not an easy job at all.

As for your comment of companies not hiring hackers, not true at all and is a very common practice. Like I said above some of these guys are masterminds in hacking and security, if a company can get a hold on one of these guys they can pay him hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep their security safe, if they hack anyone else they don't care. There are also the 'white hats' which are basically good hackers who don't attack and their job is to keep a company's security safe, guys like the OP mentioned are called 'black hats' and they are the bad guys.


lol read their tweets and then see how your argument falls to pieces.