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fireburn95 said:
Euphoria14 said:
fireburn95 said:


Yeah that game jam makes me want to throw the rare b word around. An honest to god nice thing a company was actually doing to promote females in the video game industry, and she closed down all their websites and social feeds because the little biatch wasn't happy with 8% revenue.


You know not only Zoe Quinn walked out on Game Jam right?


Its well known she caused their collapse. She got their twitter banned. Read what they wrote, they tell the full story.

Or is it only women we can believe?


Seriously, fuck this shit.

I never said anything about believing someone based on being a woman. Twice now you pull this bullshit of twisting my argument when I was only saying we have one side of a story here.

 

 

Continue with your obvious agenda. Good day.



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Maybe she slept with them :P



Gotta figure out how to set these up lol.

Euphoria14 said:
fireburn95 said:


Yeah that game jam makes me want to throw the rare b word around. An honest to god nice thing a company was actually doing to promote females in the video game industry, and she closed down all their websites and social feeds because the little biatch wasn't happy with 8% revenue.


You know not only Zoe Quinn walked out on Game Jam right?

...Hes talking about a different thing.

http://i.imgur.com/Gy2n50g.png

Soundwave said:

What problems? LOL, it's video games ... they're electronic toys. What issues does the industry genuinely have that are really that dire? lol


You should probably stay out of threads like this if you are truly that apathetic

EricFabian said:
Smear-Gel said:

Cheating on people is also shitty. It happens all the time but that doesnt make it good.


I agree, but still is not of our business. She can sleep with anyone.

Euphoria14 said:

It is, but I could care less if someone cheats on someone else.

Why should any of us give a shit that Zoe Quinn and this guy broke up and she then fucked some other dude? His blog even states that they were on a break.


Once again, this isn't about cheating...there is so much more to this story than that. Its about journalistic nepotism, censorship, manipulation, abuse of feminism etc



Smear-Gel said:
EricFabian said:
Smear-Gel said:

Cheating on people is also shitty. It happens all the time but that doesnt make it good.


I agree, but still is not of our business. She can sleep with anyone.


I'm not gonna say she can "sleep with anyone" because it's shitty. But that specific part is nobody's business, I agree. It's just one part of it though.


Exactly, its not just that she cheated on her boyfriend, its that she cheated for positive press. At that point, it affects us. A lot of people make games I hear, but not alot of people have the fucking luxury of cheating on their partners for positive press for their game. She is using the press from that & from her being 'harassed' by wizardchan to make people 'tip' her in her tipjar. Might I add, the paypal she uses for her tipjar is the exact same one as her gamejam paypal. The video goes into more details



Did some really had sex with her? ...................... Well, everybody has free will I guess...



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fireburn95 said:
binary solo said:
Why are so many people attacking her when
a) people should be attacking the journalists who sold their integrity for an organisation or two. The corruption of the media REQUIRES people in the media who are willing to be corrupted to work. The journalistic media, in theory at least, is supposed to hold itself to high standards of professional ethics so that attempts at corruption do not succeed.
b) all the shit that has gone down, including the apparent You tube take downs, are directly as a consequence of the misdirection of criticism onto Zoe instead of the game "journalists". This disproportionate response is IMO sexist, and worse is the fact that people are comparing the original issue with actual sexist behaviour.

If people had discussed the core of the problem: a corruptable gaming media, instead of the vitriolic vilification of Zoe Quinn, merely because sex was involved, then things would not have gotten blown out of proportion.

Zoe certainly seems to be deserving of criticism for some of her behaviour, but some of her behaviour is reaction to unwarranted judgementalism, so is understandable, albeit not justified. And other behaviour is actually none of our goddam business.


Hell if its on the internet and it affects our interests, such as video games and ethics it becomes our business. She is the woman campaigning for equality, then prostitutes herself for press so she can make money out of it. Now that is completely unethical for a man or woman & its the double standards that she deserves to be called on


Yet here you are demonising Zoe Quinn and not calling at least as loudly for heads to roll at kotaku and whatever other media organisations involved in the original business. Who is applying a double standard here? It is absolute fact that the only way media corruption happens is if there are people in the media willing to be corrupted, and if there is to be a witch hunt it should be to root out the corrupt people in the media, not the people in the dev biz who are willing to sell sexual favours for good press.

It has always been the case that the person receiving the bribe is guilty of a worse crime than the person doing the bribing. And the reason for that is because the bribee is the person in a position of social or political influence. But in this case, because it's sex it is the alleged briber who is getting almost all of the shit thrown at her.

I don't even think she warrants the level of hate she's getting for trying to use copyright to shut down criticism. I would be looking for every avenue possible to get my personal sexual activities off the air, including stretching use of copy rights to their limit. It's what people do. If YouTube (Google) doesn't know the limits of copy right and privacy laws to know whenbtobrefuse take down requests then Google needs a kick up the legal arse. But who wants to bite that hand that feeds them?

It is a sordid ugly mess that has gone way beyond the significance of the original allegation. And threads like this are doing nothing but make the situation more disproportionate. So you are part of the problem not the solution. 

OTOH total biscuit, who you seem to want to use to justify your position did take a balanced approach to the situation, and got criticised by both sides, which suggests to me he probably had things in aboutbthe right proportions. Though he still only said the alleged corrupt "journalists" are only idiots rather than saying they should be sacked if what is alleged is true.

Indeed I'd kotaku was actually worth any sort of credibility they would investigate the matter as an employment issue, definitively ascertain timelines and undertake disciplinary actions against employees / contributors as necessary, including if appropriate banning Zoe from future kotaku events for a period of time.

Ultimately, if kotaku wants to be seen to have credibility and conduct itself with journalistic integrity this is where the matter should have started and ended. So imo it is kotaku as an organisation who should be in for the gravest criticism.

But where is your demand for kotaku to investigate the conduct of its employees / associates / contributors? No where, that's what. You just want to perpetuate the character assassination of Zoe Quinn. 

Zoe Quinn is a symptom here not the cause. And nothing will change if you only treat the symptom of the disease.



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fireburn95 said:
Euphoria14 said:
fireburn95 said:


So we should believe her accounts (might I add she hasnt even denied the sex allegations) because she is a female?
#Equality
and the dude is psychotic because he wants to expose the money hungry woman?

On top of that, she admitted to raping her ex boyfriend (2nd vid)


What does being a female have to do with anything? It's about getting both sides of the story. 

You are just taking the word of an overly obsessive ex who after finding out she had sex with some her boss went and tried to destory her lively hood and also tried to destroy the life of the boss by telling the wife.

He is no damn saint himself. She fucked another guy. Grow up, swallow your damn pride and move the fuck on instead of going on a crusade.

 

 

I will have to watch this video to see how she "raped" him. What did she do, force him to have sex while he refused?


Second vid, watch from 9:00 mark

Link?

There is only 1 video on his blog.

http://thezoepost.wordpress.com/

 

Edit - Oh wow, fucking seriously? You believe that shit?

So because he had sex with her while not knowing she had sex with someone else the night before it is constituted as rape?

You're fucking trolling me right?



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Euphoria14 said:

Link?

There is only 1 video on his blog.

http://thezoepost.wordpress.com/


OP link 2



fireburn95 said:
Euphoria14 said:

Link?

There is only 1 video on his blog.

http://thezoepost.wordpress.com/


OP link 2


You need to learn what rape is.

If your girlfriend fucks you tonight and you have no clue that she fucked your friend last night, it doesn't mean she raped you.

 

Seriously... wow. 



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ClassicGamingWizzz said:
People needs to get a life and stop caring about the sex life of devs.


If thats all you got out of this then either read or find out what she did, how it affects the game industry, why it is double standards