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outlawauron said:
Ninsect said:
outlawauron said:

See, that's the thing. It's not a lie, it's spin. Sold through to consumers. Keep in mind who their consumers are, because we are not them. For all they care, shipped is sold, because they've already got the money from it.

Like I said originally, I'm not saying they're being deceitful. I'm just doubting them because they didn't quote any sales tracker. That's it. We'll find out pretty soon as more NPD/Chart track data comes out.

He said in people's hands, sold to consumers. Why are you even questioning that? Consumers are not retailers...they are customers but not consumers.

"Sold through" has also always meant one thing and why would that change now. 

Why in the world is this even being questioned?

Because the last two major press releases about sold through numbers were reporting shipped numbers. That's where my doubt comes from.

No, the WD number was sold to consumers. It included digital though obviously.

Hell, even VGC have it now at 4m+ first week all platforms combined.



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Ninsect said:
outlawauron said:

CGI, people look back at what Ubisoft said when they announced Watch_dogs:

Ubisoft? announced ongoing record sales for Watch Dogs, which has sold-through more than 4 million copies in its first week, positioning it as the best-selling new IP at launch across the video game industry*

We know now that this was shipped. Adding together what all of the trackers reported, it wasn't even close to 3 million for the first week.

No, that was sold through...to consumers. They shipped like 6m I believe and have now shipped 8m.

Which trackers?

All of the trackers that reported data, aka. NPD and Chart Track. NPD reported 1.25 million sold across all platforms. The European numbers were pieced together from debuts and numbers for each of the major European countries.



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Ninsect said:
outlawauron said:

Because the last two major press releases about sold through numbers were reporting shipped numbers. That's where my doubt comes from.

No, the WD number was sold to consumers. It included digital though obviously.

Hell, even VGC have it now at 4m+ first week all platforms combined.

VGC has watch_dogs at 3.36 million all platforms combined.



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outlawauron said:
Ninsect said:

No, that was sold through...to consumers. They shipped like 6m I believe and have now shipped 8m.

Which trackers?

All of the trackers that reported data, aka. NPD and Chart Track. NPD reported 1.25 million sold across all platforms. The European numbers were pieced together from debuts and numbers for each of the major European countries.

Where did Chart Track report first week numbers for WD? 

NPD reported 1.25m in the US alone, sure. But that leaves the rest of the world and digital sales



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outlawauron said:
Ninsect said:

outlawauron said:

I still doubt. He gave the PR speak, but didn't quote any sales tracker...

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/playstation4-ps4-sales-surpass-10-million-units-worldwide-270947031.html

*1 Number of retail sales to consumers is estimated by SCEI. PS4 sales data in Japan collected 2/22/2014 – 8/10/2014.  PS4 sales data in North America collected 11/15/2013 – 8/10/2014, in Europe and Latin America collected 11/29/2013 – 8/10/2014, and in Asiacollected 11/29/2013 – 8/10/2014. 

I appreciate the link. Sad that it's just internal estimations.


It's the most accurate estimations you'll ever get. You know that NPD is estimations right? It's based on known sales numbers, just like it says in the link. Sales data collected 8/10/2014. Does that mean anything to you?



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CDiablo said:
Teeqoz said:
CDiablo said:

Maybe they just think Sony considers bestbuy, target and amazon their customers. They didnt ship 10 million at the end of June, which takes about a month to get to retailers, so they likely havent sold 10 million to customers.


Sources on the shipment numbers? Besides It's been a month since the end of June, they could easily shipped and sold the rest in one and a half month. They had sold 7million to cosumers in April. During the conference he specified "and just to be clear, that's 10 million sold through to consumers". You are aware that to lie about numbers like that is a very serious crime?

All speculation but they shipped 3.2 million PS3/4's(sonys financial) up until June 30(what the split is no one knows but wa can favor it skews heavily in favor of PS4). Given how businesses like to work  that likely includes a shipment(ready to go may not have actually left the factory) very close to that June 30 number. I doubt that they sold the shipment that was in transit(should take roughly a month to get to retailers, from personal retail experience 1-2 months on hot items) shipped enough more(another month for that shipment) and sold that as well.  They can get away with lying about that number because nearly no one has access to those numbers and they will be well beyond that number as of the next quarter. Sounds great, rallys the troops and they easly pass that number by the end of the month+ smash that out of the park with the white bundle.

No other company announces it this way because there is too much involved to see how many have been sold. Traditionally companies look to companies like the NPD to tout their sold numbers. If it were easy to get sold to customer numbers investors would know because investors dont like channel stuffing. In the end Sony's main customers are retailers and not individuals.

Ie: you = claiming Sony are Inflating the number's? to make it look better on the books than it really is?

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outlawauron said:
Ninsect said:
outlawauron said:

Because the last two major press releases about sold through numbers were reporting shipped numbers. That's where my doubt comes from.

No, the WD number was sold to consumers. It included digital though obviously.

Hell, even VGC have it now at 4m+ first week all platforms combined.

VGC has watch_dogs at 3.36 million all platforms combined.

Somehow managed to add MK's number to WD's total lol. But still. That's 3.36m + all the digital sales. 

"70 percent of PC buyers opted to go with digital distribution for the title. On the flip-side, only around 10 percent of current-gen (Xbox One and PlayStation 4) buyers went digital. Just 3 to 5 percent of last-gen (PS3 and Xbox 360) buyers went digital."

This would get us to around 4m (and let's not forget that VGC numbers are fickle)



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Teeqoz said:
outlawauron said:

I appreciate the link. Sad that it's just internal estimations.

It's the most accurate estimations you'll ever get. You know that NPD is estimations right? It's based on known sales numbers, just like it says in the link. Sales data collected 8/10/2014. Does that mean anything to you?

I said it was up to 8/10 well before it was brought up.

Please continue to educate me on sales in the video game industry. I have no idea what's going on.

@ CGI

I was just doing rough math in my mind with rounding. 



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CGI-Quality said:
outlawauron said:
Ninsect said:

No, the WD number was sold to consumers. It included digital though obviously.

Hell, even VGC have it now at 4m+ first week all platforms combined.

VGC has watch_dogs at 3.36 million all platforms combined.

3,401,733m to be exact, but yeah, not quite 4mill.

It sold 400k first week on PC, so add the ~300k digital sales of that version and we get a lot closer to the 4 million number. Can digital sales of the other 4 version plus possible tracking errors on vgchartz' side make up for the last 300k? I very much believe so.



DerNebel said:
CGI-Quality said:
outlawauron said:
Ninsect said:

No, the WD number was sold to consumers. It included digital though obviously.

Hell, even VGC have it now at 4m+ first week all platforms combined.

VGC has watch_dogs at 3.36 million all platforms combined.

3,401,733m to be exact, but yeah, not quite 4mill.

It sold 400k first week on PC, so add the ~300k digital sales of that version and we get a lot closer to the 4 million number. Can digital sales of the other 4 version plus possible tracking errors on vgchartz' side make up for the last 300k? I very much believe so.

Yeah and there's no way they'd only ship 4m on sales of 3.7 or 3.8m lol



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