And you don't seem to be happy about it..

if the xb1 is doing extremely well, we are going to need to invent new adjectives to describe how the ps4 is doing

It's this kind of mentality that creates lots of issues in forums and is not really helpful.

First you say this holiday season, like games that have come out previously in the year when MS didnt release any - it's just being selective and trying to re-enforce a positive outlook on something by bending the facts to your favour. Then you claim, you cant count LBP because it's coming out on PS3, but ignore the fact that Titanfall, HMCC and Dead Rising have been on other platforms (or will be), Forza is on 360. Again this is used by people who want to make a particular console look better, it's selective reasoning, and the reason why people want to argue the "Facts" with you.

The claim that PS4 is only selling because it's hyped... no offence but most if not all people buy products because they are hyped for it. At the moment, if you look at cold hard facts, there are more games available on PS4 than on XBO, you can be selective and say, well if we discount A,B and C. You could also say that the PS4 is selling better because its considered the better product (why because people don't buy a poorer product). Regardless of hype, people buy something because they feel its value and quality is above that of another product.

So can we stop with this rather silly positive re-inforcement of a product based on selective thinking.

Also what is this rubbish: However, among actual gamers who track games, there's no denying the Xbox One has a better holiday lineup.

Amazed you didnt throw in some other overused tosh like - Amongst Hardcore, or Real gamers. Where did you get the data that states the actual gamers think XBO has a better line up... from your friends, from some guys on the internet... or just making stuff up. What the hell does track games means, people who look at release lists... or just special advanced gamers who are in the know?

I dont mind people saying "I think the XBO has a better line up and this is why"... totally ok with that.. but when people roll out BS like that.. really man.. it's pretty embarressing. 

It's just hard to be happy that the Vita is at least beating out the Ouya when you also own an Ouya... That's all.

Is that you Weazel?

Well, at least the Vita is beating out every home console in Japan! That's still something!

Its doing somewhere between bad and down right awful.

Its doing so awful MS had to un bundle a massive investment like the Kinetic and crumble its voice and gesture vision for X1 entertainment. It was selling so low they had to give up on an integral part of the system in a desperate attempt to motivate sales and it mostly failed.

PS4 has doubled X1 sales for half the months in 2014 in USA, out sold it each an every one this year. For 2014 PS4 is out selling X1 in Germany 5.5 - 1.  It is 3.5 - 1 over all, though likely PS4 undertracted and its worse the that.  Make matters worse Vg numbers show Wiiu is now out selling the X1.

Its quite clear looking at numbers, X1 is Doing Extremely Bad.

Don't you hate it when people say "Fact" to state opinion?  I sure do!

Planetside 2 is on PC, but if you want to play it on a CONSOLE (which is what we are discussing) you need a PS4!

Infamous: First Light is a STANDALONE title, you do NOT need to own "Second Son" to play it.  Therefore, it's NOT DLC!  (FACT!) :)

I humbly suggest you get down off your high horse before you take a fall, sir.

It's the best selling Microsoft console this gen, that's for sure

He already did, his arguments were laughably bad spin and incorrect.