well porting mobil games will be much easyer and the big 3rd partycompanies are going mobile, and in 3-4 years smartphones will be stroger than the ps4...

Well the Wii U results speak for themselves, not only did Nintendo manage to make a console only moderately more powerful than a 7 year old XBox 360, they managed to lose money on it too. 

It's time to stop making hardware based on niche ideas ... like backwards compatibility and having a console that's small and only runs at 33 watts because Japanese housewives and eco-friendlies that like low power consumption. The general gaming audience doesn't give a f*ck, yet Nintendo expended all that effort into these areas that yielded a more expensive console to mass produce. 

If they want to make a console for an audience of like 10 million people though, that's their business. It's just not very good business. 

There's really only 10 Wii U games that maybe are worthwhile in terms of having for BC anyway -- Mario 3D World, DKC, MK8, Smash, Zelda U, Xenoblade, Bayo 2, Splatoon ... the rest really ... if you can't live without Mario & Sonic Sochii games ... c'mon. If they can create some dev tools that make it easier to port the 10 or so Wii U games that the masses really give a crap about, then it's better to simply go with the most cost effective for power chip. 

No I'm not. It has nothing to do with the Wii U's technical ability. I think the Wii U's successor will release in 2016 because of the Wii U's selling ability. It has none. It has no future. It has Smash, then Zelda, maybe Metroid, then it's dead. There's no hope for the Wii U sales wise anymore. And this is coming from someone who prefers the Wii U to the PS4/XBO. Consumers don't want it now, and the way E3 went, they won't want it later. Nintendo gets that.

There's no way they're going to admit it because it would cannibalize sales, but they'll release a successor as soon as possible. By November of 2016, the Wii U will be four years old. If they continue to support it a year into it's successors life, that's five years of life for the Wii U. That's more than enough time.

There is a need for a Wii U successor. The Wii U won't survive until 2020. Sales will just drop and drop until there's nothing left. Nintendo can cut that loss by releasing hardware that they can sell at a profit in two years with more selling power. There's little doubt in my mind that they will be able to make a $250-$300 box by Winter 2016 that can produce graphics comparable to the PS4/XBO.

The issue becomes if they can do that while remaining backwards compatable to some extent, whether it be digital only backwards compatability or otherwise. And what happens to the 3DS/DSi library? Does that just get restarted like with the Wii to Wii U, or can they incorperate that into the new eshop as well? These are the things Nintendo needs to figure out.

Little doubt that it'll be out by 2016, though.

Nintendo staying niche is what makes console gaming and Nintendo relevant.  

They are a small company that does not need Sony level of sales to stay profitable.

Apple has done very well for itself going their own way.  And they also lacked

"third party support" compared to their PC rivals.

Nintendo will outlast Sony and MS, those two giants are already showing cracks in their foundations.

But look at things like FFXV and KH3 on the XBO. Those are easy ports from the PS4, and I'm sure that the reason is because porting between the two is so easy that all they can stand to do is profit. If the Wii U was x86 instead of PowerPC, I'm sure the Wii U would be getting those games.

spemanig said:

If it's easier to develop for, wouldn't it be better for Nintendo to use x86?

ARM is PowerPC, just for clarification so you don't get confused. Both terms are being thrown around here (Wii U cpu is ARM9).

You are saying this like you have some insider knowledge and you don't. Just give up and admit you are just pulling this all from your ass. No way are they going  n to debt to build a console comparible to the PS4/XBO in 2016 only to have it out-classed by the next consoles. This is just asking for suicide and frankly it wont matter about EA. They are still butthurt from Nintendo backing out of the Origin store deal. 

Also you are dead wrong; Smash, Zedla, Metroid, Star Fox and other potential games new and old. You honestly forget Nintendo has a huge stable of characters to choose from they don't have 3 or 4. 

There is huge doubt that they can make a 300-250 dollar box and people know this. It cost for R&D. It cost to produce... it cost a lot of money to do these things.