Please enlighten us on what the will of NI (which wants to stay part of the UK) has anything to do with Oliver Cromwell (who was an ass by historical stuff I have read).

You are being called up on your rhetoric nothing more nothing less.

Britain no longer occupies Ireland by Force, Dont know if you noticed or not - get over it. People living in the past.. seriously no wonder NI still has problems when people are still with their small minded issues (and I'm talking that both sides are as bad as each other).

I assume ignorance because if it's not, you are severely misinformed.

The US gained independence from Britain as a result of the American Revolutionary War. This came about from a disagreement over taxes being paid to Britain.

The Civil was was against the southern states about 80 years later. Slavery was a big factor in this war.

Not at all, I'm not sure if you're comprehending my prior response.

you aren't a very good historian if you think we would still be owning slaves if we didn't have the revolutionary war... the british outlawed slaverly long before we did...

Also, hard to call the people oppressed in northern ireland if they are the ones that want to remain a part of the uk...

Wait, who's talking about the American Revolutionary war here? That's not even a factor. My post before was comparing what one party (the status quo/ruling force) wanted vs. those who were against it. IE: The confederate states=the British occupation vs. the Union /northern states=those seeking to return ireland to the Irish. I get that it can be a bit odd of a correlation, as the original topic is about independence.

Ironically Britain abolished Slavery before the USA... and let's be fair, britain was pretty bad in trying to take over the world, but that was indeed a very long time ago, and they learnt their lesson when they got their asses kicked. Ironically its the USA that has got involved in more illegal wars than anyone and that is recent history, not something from James the first.

Oh I get what you are trying to say now. If the US hadn't become independent, there would still be slavery in the US.

Still not sure if serious tbh. Your argument makes no sense whatsoever.

see prior post, it seems my correlations weren't clear, cleared them up in prior post.

So Raze, you agree that the US should be returned to the Native Americans?

Fair do's then :)

LOL what? That's not what Im saying at all.

Let's simplify: You buy a house with a yard from my buddy, who happens to be high up in authority. I decide I want to use a part of your yard for me to build a vacation home on, without paying you anything for it. You protest, because you want all of the property you have fair right to. I tell my buddy I'll let him use my vacation home if he lets me keep it. He sides with me, and you're stuck protesting, but no one is listening.  Sure, I'm in the wrong, but if the powers that be give in to my wishes, I get away with it.