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Are you voting for Scottish independence?

Yes 288 51.15%
 
No 275 48.85%
 
Total:563
Nem said:
So, if we arent scottish we cant see the poll results? Bummer. :/

I think scottish should do whatever they feel like. But, if i am honest, Scotland might have more to lose from independance than to gain. But if its something they want in their hearts, they should have it.

Personally, i am a forward thinker. I see the whole of EU uniting as a single country in the future. It will be necessary to rival with the great powers of the world. So, i wonder if this will make a big difference down the line anyways.

 

Firstly, there's nothing forward about that thought. Europe is being fed to the dogs because of the EU. I urge you to do substantial research into the matter. The bail-outs, centralization of power and open-borders-policy are absolutely killing the members of the EU (sans Germany). 

Luckily, many  of the countries are wisening up. You should see France/Greece leave the EU first, closely followed by several others. It'll happen in a few years. The socialist wellfare system that has been plaguing the once-mighty European nations has been utterly exposed.

The EU is an abomination.



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MikeRox said:

Oh I get what you are trying to say now. If the US hadn't become independent, there would still be slavery in the US.

Still not sure if serious tbh. Your argument makes no sense whatsoever.

Aah, the good 'ol slavery white guilt card. If only he knew the truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31E1gHowYcA

Go on, blame the white man for something the Arabs started and the African (looking at you Ashanti empire) was the middle man. Go on, blame the white man for ending slavery on moral grounds.  Where are the blacks in Arabia you say? Take a guess.

...

You are indeed right, his argument makes no sense. But taking out that big 'ol white guild card sure makes anyone agree with you. People should dig a little bit into the actual origins and ultimate end of slavery.



Raze said:
MikeRox said:
Raze said:
 

It's not a lack of knowledge or understanding. Just think, if we went by what the oppressors wanted, we could have avoided a civil war here too, and the slave owners could have kept on owning slaves. It was the British who occupied Ireland by force, of course their contingent wouldn't want to give it back up. The centuries of ignorance and hatred have to eventually end. As it stands, that deal isn't settled. How well read are you on Oliver Cromwell?

OMG Not sure if srs?!?!

You're getting your wars confused.


Not at all, I'm not sure if you're comprehending my prior response.


Go take a history/cricial-thinking class. Or just try and read a book about the subject. You shouldn't talk about things you don't know anything about.

EDIT: I cannot possibly imagine what Oliver Cromwell has to do with that argument of yours.



Richard_Feynman said:
Nem said:
So, if we arent scottish we cant see the poll results? Bummer. :/

I think scottish should do whatever they feel like. But, if i am honest, Scotland might have more to lose from independance than to gain. But if its something they want in their hearts, they should have it.

Personally, i am a forward thinker. I see the whole of EU uniting as a single country in the future. It will be necessary to rival with the great powers of the world. So, i wonder if this will make a big difference down the line anyways.

 

Firstly, there's nothing forward about that thought. Europe is being fed to the dogs because of the EU. I urge you to do substantial research into the matter. The bail-outs, centralization of power and open-borders-policy are absolutely killing the members of the EU (sans Germany). 

Luckily, many  of the countries are wisening up. You should see France/Greece leave the EU first, closely followed by several others. It'll happen in a few years. The socialist wellfare system that has been plaguing the once-mighty European nations has been utterly exposed.

The EU is an abomination.


And you think those countries will be better by themselves? Europe would be worthless without the EU.

You seem to forget theres an aager Putin right there willing to get what he wants by force. If the EU is weak and fractured it will slowly take over.



Richard_Feynman said:
 


Go take a history/cricial-thinking class. Or just try and read a book about the subject. You shouldn't talk about things you don't know anything about.

EDIT: I cannot possibly imagine what Oliver Cromwell has to do with that argument of yours.


I'm quite well read and versed on the matter, yet you say I don't know anything about it. You don't know a drop about me or what I've studied and known. Take the blinders off and stop being part of the problem.



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radishhead said:
I'm not Scottish, but I don't think I would be voting for independence if I was. Both Scotland and the rest of the UK are stronger together - we're small enough countries as it is to keep relevance on the world stage without splitting into smaller parts.


We're "small enough countries"? This may technically be so, but the union is far from equal. Scotland has only 8% of the UK's population. I think recent political advances have made it clear that Scotland has different ideologies and desires to the rest of the UK.

To the OP, and anyone else who's undecided. Please please PLEASE don't just flip a coin. You still have 24 hours to educate yourself. I know it's bamboozling, but don't let either side scare you or bribe you. 

For the record, I can't vote because I'm living in England for my PhD so I've been trying to see things from both sides, as objectively as possible. 

Whichever way you vote, do it with a clear head and a clear idea of what you think is best. Don't waste your vote. There are uncertainties, but it comes down to who you want to hold responsible for the future of your country - a government based 600 miles away in which we are a minority, or a local government with the sole purpose of representing the 5.3 million population of Scotland? I understand that may sound biased towards yes, but it's the question, isn't it?



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christ i hope they vote yes,i cannot believe the scots would pass up the chance of independence

so we can start splitting the UK & end the BBC forced commie tax and Labour as a party can dwindle off into the sunset leaving the english free forever

come on scots,i can't even understand why it is even in doubt,the fear mongering,threats and media bias in this campaign is classic zionist if ever i saw it



I've been thinking... For England, war isn't even an option. In the modern era they'd be condemned like crazy. Sanctions would be everywhere; war can't even be considered. Go back even 50 years and England could stomp this out without anyone batting an eyelash. Then again, they did let Ireland walk away 90 years ago, with little fighting, when they could forcefully have put a stop to it -- so maybe they don't care too much. It's interesting to see how much things have changed in only decades.



"On my business card I am a corporate president. In my mind I am a game developer. But in my heart I am a gamer." - Satoru Iwata

so many "vote no" mouth pieces in the media say they can't stand nationalism and nationalistic ideals but they love the "union jack" wwwhhhaaaat??? talk about bizarre as an imperialistic fascist flag as ever there was and they don't want "wee" scotland to govern itself and spend their own oil & gas money

they want to be pro union,pro america,pro nato,pro zionist,pro war ,how odd to claim the nationalism tag as dirty

go on scotland vote to be free and control your destiny helping to free the english in the process