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EspadaGrim on 11 July 2014
Chris Hu said:
Not a very smart move I doubt he will get any more rings in Cleveland.


It's the best move for him IMO in terms of potential this Cleveland has more talent than the one he carried to the Finals.



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Chris Hu on 11 July 2014
iceboy151 said:
I just woke up and saw this thread, I thought it was a joke. I'm a little shocked, never did I think he would go back to Cleveland. So I guess all the people who hated him will now love him.


Pretty much, but even with LeBron they are not title condenters anytime soon.  So I guess Bosh will go to Houston now and the Mavs will probably end up with Chandler Parsons.



VanceIX on 11 July 2014
burninmylight said:
VanceIX said:
burninmylight said:
VanceIX said:

Yes. He's talking about how he wants to put his city over basketball, but there's absolutely no way he would have gone to Cleveland if they didn't have Kyrie Irving and on the verge of getting Kevin Love. He's just switching to whichever team will get him a championship, instead of staying put and building his own legacy. 

This just in: good basketball players want to play with other good basketball players to give them the best chance to win. By the way, if he signs for max money, they wouldn't be able to sign Kevin Love, who will no doubt want to get paid as well. The Cavs just signed Irving to a 90$ million contract.

MJ and Kobe, along with Magic Johnson, Kareem, etc. all played for pretty much one team their entire careers, and when they did leave it wasn't because they saw greener pastures. Kareem was traded, Magic got AIDS, Kobe is still with the Lakers even though they suck, and Michael Jordan left to play baseball. They built their own legacies through persistence, not insta-championships. Lebron is the definition of a mercenary, while the other people who have gone down as the greatest were very loyal and stayed many, many years with their teams.

Kobe demanded the Lakers trade him at one point, and was almost a Bull. MJ was a Wizard for two years. But you can excuse those.

Kareem started his first few years in Milwaukee, and even won a championship there. He demanded the Bucks trade him to LA (greener pastures?), even though they were one of the greatest teams of the era. LeBron has never demanded a trade and has only left a team as an unrestricted free agent. So by your logic, Kareem should be remembered less fondly than LeBron, and Kobe was almost a quitter. I'd like to see your excuse on that one.

Oh, I almost forgot! Kobe refused to work out for a bunch of teams as a draft prospect. Him and his agent purposefully tried to move him away from certain teams, even if it meant moving down further in the draft. When he was selected by Charlotte, he asked to be traded, so Charlotte worked out the deal to get him in LA. What about that?

Kobe demanded a trade to get the management off their asses and to make the team better. If he really wanted out, he would have gotten out. MJ was a Wizard when he came back from baseball, at least he didn't originally leave the Bulls for the Wizards. Kareem leaving the Bucks had little to do with winning and more to do with leaving a city he didn't like.

And at least Kobe has stayed with the Lakers this entire time. There has been drama, sure, there almost always is with superstars. The important thing is that he's still there, and has been through the good and the ugly.



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InnocentSin on 11 July 2014

Not one, just two..



Chris Hu on 11 July 2014
EspadaGrim said:
Chris Hu said:
Not a very smart move I doubt he will get any more rings in Cleveland.


It's the best move for him IMO in terms of potential this Cleveland has more talent than the one he carried to the Finals.


Maybe if they also can get Kevin Love but right now they are still nowhere near being title contenders.



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EspadaGrim on 11 July 2014
Chris Hu said:


Pretty much, but even with LeBron they are not title condenters anytime soon.  So I guess Bosh will go to Houston now and the Mavs will probably end up with Chandler Parsons.


Actually rumors say that the Rockets will match Chandlers Offer sheet.



BeElite on 11 July 2014

good decision, he makes amends.

Melo needs to man up and sign with bulls and win a championship.



Chris Hu on 11 July 2014

One thing is certain the Heat are pretty much toast and are going to be terrible this upcoming season. Bosh will probably go to Houston and Wade really should abandon that sinking ship also.



burninmylight on 11 July 2014
VanceIX said:
burninmylight said:
VanceIX said:
burninmylight said:


You can't carry the best player in the game. If he wanted to ride someone else's coattails, there are better teams he could have chosen.

Like who? Cleveland is the only team that can can afford his contract while sporting three all-stars at the same time (Irving is much better than Wade at this point in his career, and Kevin Love is an immediate upgrade over Bosh). If he stayed in Miami, he would at least have had the chance to build his legacy with one team, but history will remember his as the guy who bolted when thigs started to get a little tough. 

Oh, so we're talking about giving him the max (or near max) contract while still fielding two other all stars in this situation? Then outside of Houston, nobody except the team he's leaving. Cleveland ain't got two all stars. Love is a Timberwolf last time I checked, and the T-wolves still have him for another year if they so please. Therefore, they decide where he goes, if he goes this offseason. And like I said in another post, Cleveland can't have Kyrie , LeBron and Love all on max deals.

They can if they trade Wiggins for Love, which they are actually considering, according to some sources. Even if they don't, they have an insane front-court with Irving and Wiggins (assuming they move him to SG), and Lebron in the back. They also have what is essentially an unprotected lottery pick this year from Miami. They are easily the best team in terms of potential, period.

It's not about talent-for-talent trades so much as it is about salary and going over the cap. We really can't have this discussion until we know what LeBron will sign for, but assuming he signs for the max (which he has stated he wants), and Love wants to sign for the max (which he has stated he wants), then Cleveland has a serious game of salary-cap-Tetris in front of it.

Kyrie still has one more year of rookie salary before his huge deal kicks in, so that's what would allow any of this to possibly work. But after next year, assuming Cleveland were to keep Kyrie and land LeBron and Love, it's salary cap would be astronomical for such a small market, superstars or not. We're talking Brooklyn Nets territory, and most owners would never want to foot that bill.

But like I said, we'll know a lot more once contracts start becoming a bit more concrete. The NBA salary cap for next year was just set to be around $62 million a couple of days ago. If two guys are taking up more than half of that, then there's not much else you can do around them.



EspadaGrim on 11 July 2014
Chris Hu said:


Maybe if they also can get Kevin Love but right now they are still nowhere near being title contenders.


I agree they have potential but they are not title contenders for now.