I also don't get where the stealth part comes from OP...
Considering that they are making a public statement on the topic :O
I also don't get where the stealth part comes from OP...
Considering that they are making a public statement on the topic :O
lol at the "Sony cant do no wrong" comments...that's sooo off topic its not even funny 
| Puppyroach said: There is no need to be upset just because we have different viewpoints in this matter. What is there to stop Sony from doing exactly what you described on PS Now? Imagine if the next game in Little Big Planet series as to release on PS3 and only o PS Now for sale? Offering a streaming service is the perfect way to have complete control over the consumer. What MS is aying is that more and more games will have usage of the cloud, therefore being constantly online will become a requirement. You are way to focused on physcal copies of games. DRM expands into the realm of digital only aswell you know. |
I'm not sure what your argument is here? Is it that Sony is the exact same as MS in trying to institute DRM?
Well, when we get to the point where Sony is saying "we want to release all our games requiring PSNow", THEN we might have a level discussion. But right now, MS is the one who keeps making statements like "hmm you know, we still believe in the always online thing"


| Dr.Henry_Killinger said: I dunno
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You and a lot of people on this thread are being paranoid about Microsoft's moves while not giving enough credit to them ... Have Microsoft not right their wrongs before like how they've opted out on using always online DRM and have they not made kinect into an option ?
Like I said before, Microsoft isn't stupid so the least you could do is give them a chance on showing how they execute as I believe that the said games utilizing their cloud computing servers will still be playable offline despite the fact that the experience maybe inferior.
| Puppyroach said: There is no need to be upset just because we have different viewpoints in this matter. What is there to stop Sony from doing exactly what you described on PS Now? Imagine if the next game in Little Big Planet series as to release on PS3 and only o PS Now for sale? Offering a streaming service is the perfect way to have complete control over the consumer. What MS is aying is that more and more games will have usage of the cloud, therefore being constantly online will become a requirement. You are way to focused on physcal copies of games. DRM expands into the realm of digital only aswell you know. |
Not upset cause of different views, upset cause some poeple are either not reading answers to questions identical to what they are asking or are ignoring the answers flat out.
Nothing stops sony from doing it. Nothing at all. PSnow is a game rental service, and nothing really stops them from making PS4 games available on the service to rent. Though it won't be same day and date as the physical or digital release. Cause offer a $10 rental fee for one week for brand new game will cannibalize sales of the $60 asking price for ownership.
Having said that, PSnow is not a game store, its a game rental service. You do not own the content on the service and you need the service to play whatever content you are renting. That is miles different from needing a service to play content that you actually own. As someone has already said, PSnow exists as an online service. You need the internet to even be able to get into PSnow. And you can have PSnow on a multitude of devices. You do ot need an internet connection to go to a store and buy a game, and even if you bought that game digitally, it now belongs to you. So why should you need aninternet connection to be able to play it?
If MS wants an always connected whatever, then let them do what sony is doig and rent bloody games out and let those that want to rent the games and be tethered to a server do so. But changing how games are made just so to stealthly impose an always connected enviroment for everything be it physical or digital is IMO them just going about what they were originally trying to do albeit this time better thought out.
Lets get it straight here,
The Cloud is simply a buzzword for distributed computing
Offloading processes to the cloud is counterproductive because of the effects of latency
Streaming is better because the networking is at the end of the pipeline, so you don't have anything waiting on the latency.
In this day and age, with the Internet, ignorance is a choice! And they're still choosing Ignorance! - Dr. Filthy Frank


fatslob-:O said:
You and a lot of people on this thread are being paranoid about Microsoft's moves while not giving enough credit to them ... Have Microsoft not right their wrongs before like how they've opted out on using always online DRM and have they not made kinect into an option ? Like I said before, Microsoft isn't stupid so the least you could do is give them a chance on showing how they execute as I believe that the said games utilizing their cloud computing servers will still be playable offline despite the fact that the experience maybe inferior. |
I'm not paranoid, I just recognize that MS is eager to jump on the digital train and they've already jumped the gun once. Its reasonable to expect that they will do it again when the time is right and nobody notices. Their is nothing stupid about it, I mean look at how well RROD and Live, well maybe mandatory kinect is a bit silly.
Why would I give them credit when they've had paid online from the inception? I'm supposed to believe they are gonna support offline without a monetary incentive because of the goodness of their hearts? Nahhh I don't buy it, I'm a bit of a skeptical.
In this day and age, with the Internet, ignorance is a choice! And they're still choosing Ignorance! - Dr. Filthy Frank


| Shinobi-san said: WOW at people equating PS Now, which is an optional and completely seperate platform to PS4, to MS possibly integrating cloud processing as a core component to all their games in the future. These are two completely different things. Why was PS Now even brought up in this thread. I don't get it? |
Same I dont get it neither. Or even why sony's brought up in this thread at all.
If you can't take criticism, you generally try and divert the topic to bash the competitor.
Always online is a possibility at coming back in a different form, but healthy debate cannot happen when people bring up playstation now, which is a service, as opposed to cloud processing, which they want to make a core component for all games as the quote says.
This is bullshit and Sony have a Cloud too, not only Microsoft ;)
Puppyroach said:
So what you are saying is that Sony are smarter at screwing customer over than MS? PS+ is actually a good example of that, and the price on PS Now aren´t exactly great as far as I´ve heard. |
No. I am saying Sony is more in touch with the consumer than Microsoft is. When Microsoft makes plans, they just make plans on what they think is cool. They forget the PC realm isn't the console realm.
PSN+ taught Microsoft how to treat the consumer. It gave them as service worth paying for because the people decided to pay for it. it was tested upon people and they made the decision. Forcing people into a paywall to use their subscriptions is a dictatorship via OS. Sony gave them the internet for free and allowed them to use their subscriptions but when it came to asking for your money for a subscription based service Sony let the consumer decide and then threw multiplayer in there. That pissed me off, but Microsoft made it normal to make people pay for multiplayer on consoles. So really, what can we do about that now?