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Raziel123 on 09 July 2014
gergroy said:


Well, lets trace this subject back to its origin, shall we?  Somebody said what is stopping sony from making a game exclusive to psnow.  Meaning that game would always need to be online in order to play it.  

You said not possible as it is ps3 infrastucture and all ps3 games are available at retail...

however, that does not stop new games from being made that are exclusive to the psnow program.  Just because it is starting out as a service for old ps3 games doesnt mean it will always be that way.  In fact, it is pretty much guaranteed that as time goes on they will upgrade their infrastructure and add more games that havent been on any sony console before.  

One even more likely example would be regional exclusive games being put on psnow.  If somebody doesnt want to pay the huge cost of importing a game, psnow would be their only option.  Which would require that game being always online.

The door is WIDE open for sony to use their cloud service to require online as well. 


Until they completely replace their current (and might I add, NEW...) PS Now infrastructure, no, it's not open at all. It is pretty clear that this is never going to happen to PS4. While MS is planning on adopting it already with the XB1, Sony has basically shut that option out and ps4 owners won't be affected.

If you want to talk PS5 and XB2, that's another matter and 100% speculative. Not to mention it doesn't affect PS4 and XB1 owners.



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gergroy on 09 July 2014
Intrinsic said:
gergroy said:

Honestly, i wouldnt even notice if they did something like that.  My consoles have been always online since the start of last generation.  I wouldnt care at all, especially if the games get a positive benefit in performance because of it.  I definitely dont see it as something get all riled up about.

Microsoft is banking on exactly what you have just said. As I also wouldn't notice it either. I am always connected anyways. But this will end up affecting people who buy used games. I don't buy used, hell I only buy digitally now. But that shouldn't make me ignorant to what this could end up doing to everyone else that isn't like me. cause where this will end up is that if someone buys used, you will have to seperately buy a game server pass or some shit like that. And we are right back where MS wanted us all along. And more disturbing is that since this will pretty much mean that used games or piracy becomes obsolete, everyone else will follow suit. And gone will be the days when you could just play a game without an internet connection. 

In a grand scheme of things, this isn't god for gamers, great for platform holders and publishers though.

I honestly dont think it is bad for gamers at all.  Whens the last time you traded in a pc game or an indie game?  Does that stop you or millions of others from buying those types of games?  Nope, it doesnt.  All these arguments about always online just strike me as argument for arguments sake.  It isnt and wouldnt be a bid deal for 99.9% of the people making a stink about it.



gergroy on 09 July 2014
Raziel123 said:
gergroy said:


Well, lets trace this subject back to its origin, shall we?  Somebody said what is stopping sony from making a game exclusive to psnow.  Meaning that game would always need to be online in order to play it.  

You said not possible as it is ps3 infrastucture and all ps3 games are available at retail...

however, that does not stop new games from being made that are exclusive to the psnow program.  Just because it is starting out as a service for old ps3 games doesnt mean it will always be that way.  In fact, it is pretty much guaranteed that as time goes on they will upgrade their infrastructure and add more games that havent been on any sony console before.  

One even more likely example would be regional exclusive games being put on psnow.  If somebody doesnt want to pay the huge cost of importing a game, psnow would be their only option.  Which would require that game being always online.

The door is WIDE open for sony to use their cloud service to require online as well. 


Until they completely replace their current (and might I add, NEW...) PS Now infrastructure, no, it's not open at all. It is pretty clear that this is never going to happen to PS4. While MS is planning on adopting it already with the XB1, Sony has basically shut that option out and ps4 owners won't be affected.

If you want to talk PS5 and XB2, that's another matter and 100% speculative. Not to mention it doesn't affect PS4 and XB1 owners.


Good job selectively reading my post, kudos to you sir!



Intrinsic on 09 July 2014
Landguy said:
sales2099 said:
I guess Sony will have to do always online first, since gamers love them regardless and therefore it will be adopted with open arms.

THEN MS can do it themselves ;)

That is what I was thinking as I read all of these comments.  Most of the commenters don't mind it if "evil" Microsoft doesn't talk about it first.  What they really want is Sony to copywright it so that they can get paid by everyone to use the idea.  That i one way for Sony to stay in business long term!

Obviously, Sony has already adopted the idea of DRM by providing PSPlus and eventually PSnow.  Anything that requires you to have an internet connection and log into is DRM.  That's the whole point.

People saying that Sony doesn't do DRM are just not understanding what it is to begin with.

I am going to assume that some posters here are so hell bent on making this be a sony love thing that they are just ignoring the obvious things that people are saying.

PS+ doesn't work the way you think it does. And its not DRM in the bad way. With PS+ for being a member you get certain content every month. This content is yours as long as you are a member. You can go out an buy that content if you aren't a member. When you download a game off PS+, your current membership expiration date is time stamped to the content you download. So even if you aren't online, the OS will be able to determine when you "lease" for that game has expired. If you are online and/renew you PS+ status, the OS updates the lease expiration dates for all your PS+ content.

No one is saying MS shouldn't do this. The can do that if they want and they actually already do with games with gold. I will say again, for like the 10th time in this thread. What people don't want is when you can not play physical disc based or even digital games that you buy, own, that belongs to you, you get from a store, a friend or whatever unless you are conected to the internet cause the game "NEEDS" the internet to work. Cause there is a missing component of the games render engine that cannot run on your ocnsole so it needs the "cloud" to handle physics, A.I, lighting or whatever.

These are two very different things.



S.T.A.G.E. on 09 July 2014
Landguy said:
sales2099 said:
I guess Sony will have to do always online first, since gamers love them regardless and therefore it will be adopted with open arms.

THEN MS can do it themselves ;)

That is what I was thinking as I read all of these comments.  Most of the commenters don't mind it if "evil" Microsoft doesn't talk about it first.  What they really want is Sony to copywright it so that they can get paid by everyone to use the idea.  That i one way for Sony to stay in business long term!

Obviously, Sony has already adopted the idea of DRM by providing PSPlus and eventually PSnow.  Anything that requires you to have an internet connection and log into is DRM.  That's the whole point.

People saying that Sony doesn't do DRM are just not understanding what it is to begin with.


Valve, Microsoft and Sony all use DRM. The question is how far they are willing to go with it.



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Twilord on 09 July 2014

Take your Wii-Mote, point it at your Xbone, and repeat after me. "Avada Kedavra".

 

Edit: Moderated despite being hilarious to all Harry Potter fans - Starcraft



NobleTeam360 on 09 July 2014

Only problem I had with MS's original vision was the used games thing. If they implement that again regarding used games then I will sell my Xbox in a heartbeat.



Raziel123 on 09 July 2014
gergroy said:


Until they completely replace their current (and might I add, NEW...) PS Now infrastructure, no, it's not open at all. It is pretty clear that this is never going to happen to PS4. While MS is planning on adopting it already with the XB1, Sony has basically shut that option out and ps4 owners won't be affected.

If you want to talk PS5 and XB2, that's another matter and 100% speculative. Not to mention it doesn't affect PS4 and XB1 owners.


Good job selectively reading my post, kudos to you sir!


What you said before makes no sense. I already answered it more than once so I don't see the point in repeating myself



Intrinsic on 09 July 2014
gergroy said:

I honestly dont think it is bad for gamers at all.  Whens the last time you traded in a pc game or an indie game?  Does that stop you or millions of others from buying those types of games?  Nope, it doesnt.  All these arguments about always online just strike me as argument for arguments sake.  It isnt and wouldnt be a bid deal for 99.9% of the people making a stink about it.

 

Do you have any idea how many people buy used games? Do you have any idea how many people sell games to allow them purchase new ones? Yet you feel that only 0.1% of every gamer out there would be affected by something like that?

I understand that you are talking about all digital games, but these PC games and indie games you are talking about doesn't cost $60. I will put it like this, go back and watch the sony 2013 E3 conference, go back and look at all the MS policy changes from reveal tt launch of the XB1. What all those things will tell you is how much people care and how big of a deal any kinda always online to play games is. This is just a tactfully better way of doing the same thing they were trying to do in the first place.



gergroy on 09 July 2014
Raziel123 said:
gergroy said

Good job selectively reading my post, kudos to you sir!


What you said before makes no sense. I already answered it more than once so I don't see the point in repeating myself

Really? You gave a reason why they couldnt make a new game and make it exclusive to psnow?  You can make new games on ps3 hardware you know...

you gave a reason why a regional exclusive game wouldnt be put on psnow?  

No, you ignored both points i made and chose to just reiterate your stance.  That is all you did...

i'm not saying they are going to do either of thise things, but the door is certainly open for sony to just walk right in if they want to, that is all i am saying.