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fireburn95 on 09 July 2014
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Puppyroach said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

 

Microsoft doesn't fully understand yet how the console realm works. Sony does. They know you have to work in steps and not force things into full on existence. It will bring about ridiculous charges and things of that ilk. Taking steps will save you money and also help the audience move along with you. You can force things onto the PC audeince because with the PC realm no one is created equal. If you dont want it you don't have to use it. If you put it on consoles since everyone is treated equally under a closed OS they could become victimized by said choies. PS Now is ready to release. Sony isn't going anywhere as far as Microsoft is with the cloud. Microsoft is selling a promise they haven't revealed much of anything for just yet.

So what you are saying is that Sony are smarter at screwing customer over than MS? PS+ is actually a good example of that, and the price on PS Now aren´t exactly great as far as I´ve heard.


No. I am saying Sony is more in touch with the consumer than Microsoft is. When Microsoft makes plans, they just make plans on what they think is cool. They forget the PC realm isn't the console realm.

PSN+ taught Microsoft how to treat the consumer. It gave them as service worth paying for because the people decided to pay for it. it was tested upon people and they made the decision. Forcing people into a paywall to use their subscriptions is a dictatorship via OS. Sony gave them the internet for free and allowed them to use their subscriptions but when it came to asking for your money for a subscription based service Sony let the consumer decide and then threw multiplayer in there. That pissed me off, but Microsoft made it normal to make people pay for multiplayer on consoles. So really, what can we do about that now?


At this point microsoft should pretty much do what sony is doing for PR. Everythings going wrong for them, this and the xbox one dev kits news. They're confused.



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Cobretti2 on 09 July 2014

didn't microsoft rename the whole cloud thing to dedicated server gaming or some bs like that at E3.



 

 

DogRemag on 09 July 2014
kowenicki said:
Raziel123 said:
kowenicki said:
fireburn95 said:
umm ps now is to play ps3,2,1 games on ps4(and other stuff)

Microsofts cloud is to provide compute power to xbox one native games, which means if games require cloud even for their single player (ala sunset overdrive) then it is always online


for now...

Its the first step after all.

wise up.

 


I'd like to know how is it that PS3s are going to locally run PS4 games

please explain

Because that's what PSnow games are running on. PS3s.

Did I say this generation? 

This    is     the     first     step.

The naivity of console buyers never ceases to amaze me.

Why do consoles exist?  Its a simple question with an even easier answer.

They arent profitable objects, the exist to sell software, to drive revenue through game sales.  The sooner people accept that Sony isnt some gamer loving charity the sooner this one eyed nonsense can stop.

It is inevitable that sooner or later there will be no phyisical or physical will be locked down. 

Accept it, its coming.  Hey... it might actually be a better world for gamers afterwards... crazy huh?

 

 

No it isn't and you don't know anything so stop talking out of your rear already.



fireburn95 on 09 July 2014
Cobretti2 said:
didn't microsoft rename the whole cloud thing to dedicated server gaming or some bs like that at E3.


People reckon they did.

I reckon they didn't want to embarrass themselves again on TV so they avoided words like cloud used so heavily last year.

But since something like develop conference is easily missed by most, they can bring 'cloud' again



DogRemag on 09 July 2014
phaedruss said:
kitler53 said:

i can accept that online multiplayer requires an internet connection,.. there is an obvious reason for the need for an online connection and an obvious benefit in certain types of gameplay.

if ms wants to do cloud process they better be able to communicate a clear reason and obvious benefit.


and lol and those trying to link psnow steaming as an additional method to purchasing games to the idea of cloud processing being integrated into a game's single player mode making an internet connection the only option. if you can see such a massively, significant difference between the destiny dlc vs the dozens of other platform exclusive content coming in the next year surely you can see the difference here...


I thought that the fully destructible environments of Crackdown (3) seemed to be a big benefit.


Fully destructable environments are impossible. Notice PC games don't do it.



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fireburn95 on 09 July 2014
DogRemag said:
phaedruss said:
kitler53 said:

i can accept that online multiplayer requires an internet connection,.. there is an obvious reason for the need for an online connection and an obvious benefit in certain types of gameplay.

if ms wants to do cloud process they better be able to communicate a clear reason and obvious benefit.


and lol and those trying to link psnow steaming as an additional method to purchasing games to the idea of cloud processing being integrated into a game's single player mode making an internet connection the only option. if you can see such a massively, significant difference between the destiny dlc vs the dozens of other platform exclusive content coming in the next year surely you can see the difference here...


I thought that the fully destructible environments of Crackdown (3) seemed to be a big benefit.


Fully destructable environments are impossible. Notice PC games don't do it.

it's possible, just doesn't have much of an impact on gameplay, unless they can prove it does.

So far battlefield has proven scripted destruction can make a game fun, but can blowing stuff up for the sake of it add to the value of gameplay, i dunno.



fatslob-:O on 09 July 2014
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

I'm not paranoid, I just recognize that MS is eager to jump on the digital train and they've already jumped the gun once. Its reasonable to expect that they will do it again when the time is right and nobody notices. Their is nothing stupid about it, I mean look at how well RROD and Live, well maybe mandatory kinect is a bit silly. 

Why would I give them credit when they've had paid online from the inception? I'm supposed to believe they are gonna support offline without a monetary incentive because of the goodness of their hearts? Nahhh I don't buy it, I'm a bit of a skeptical.

You ARE being paranoid ... BTW it's "There", not "Their" and why the hell are you using the RROD and live in your argument ? 

Sony also has online subscription too if you hadn't noticed even if they only did it for 2 generations. 

The question is why wouldn't you give them the benefit of doubt despite all of their changes they've made ? 



DogRemag on 09 July 2014
fireburn95 said:
DogRemag said:
phaedruss said:
kitler53 said:

i can accept that online multiplayer requires an internet connection,.. there is an obvious reason for the need for an online connection and an obvious benefit in certain types of gameplay.

if ms wants to do cloud process they better be able to communicate a clear reason and obvious benefit.


and lol and those trying to link psnow steaming as an additional method to purchasing games to the idea of cloud processing being integrated into a game's single player mode making an internet connection the only option. if you can see such a massively, significant difference between the destiny dlc vs the dozens of other platform exclusive content coming in the next year surely you can see the difference here...


I thought that the fully destructible environments of Crackdown (3) seemed to be a big benefit.


Fully destructable environments are impossible. Notice PC games don't do it.

it's possible, just doesn't have much of an impact on gameplay, unless they can prove it does.

So far battlefield has proven scripted destruction can make a game fun, but can blowing stuff up for the sake of it add to the value of gameplay, i dunno.

I have never seen complete destruction in a game. There are always limits. This is just more BS from MS PR team to make it sound exciting just like theu did when they claimed any object can be scanned by the then code named Kinect (Project natal(), or Milo. Remember Milo? And Xbox fans keep falling for the okie doke. What did ever happen to Milo, those Kinect hyrbid games, smart glass and elumniroom? MS never delivers on their promises period.



DogRemag on 09 July 2014
fatslob-:O said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

I'm not paranoid, I just recognize that MS is eager to jump on the digital train and they've already jumped the gun once. Its reasonable to expect that they will do it again when the time is right and nobody notices. Their is nothing stupid about it, I mean look at how well RROD and Live, well maybe mandatory kinect is a bit silly. 

Why would I give them credit when they've had paid online from the inception? I'm supposed to believe they are gonna support offline without a monetary incentive because of the goodness of their hearts? Nahhh I don't buy it, I'm a bit of a skeptical.

You ARE being paranoid ... BTW it's "There", not "Their" and why the hell are you using the RROD and live in your argument ? 

Sony also has online subscription too if you hadn't noticed even if they only did it for 2 generations. 

The question is why wouldn't you give them the benefit of doubt despite all of their changes they've made ? 

Because they never deliver on what they say. See my previous post. Then they lied about not dumping hardcore games for casual games when Kinect released.



fatslob-:O on 09 July 2014
DogRemag said:

Because they never deliver on what they say. See my previous post. Then they lied about not dumping hardcore games for casual games when Kinect released.

Where did they say that ?