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Tamron said:

1) Yes I can, and did, based on the story of the first three, stopped at 3 would have been a nice round end to the franchise, it isn't about if the next game will be good or not.

2) And yet, every final fantasy since 10 has sucked.

3) GT4 was the pinnacle of the series, they should have bowed out and started working on something different instead og GT5, again, just because its a certain type of game does not exclude it from getting tired/old/boring, the formula hasn't changed enough over the franchises existance, it should have ended at 4.

4) Doesn't matter, they should end it at 4.

5) Again, doesn't matter.

Just because they change a games story, location, or plot doesn't mean they have a free pass to just keep doing that until the rest of time, imagine how broad a range of games we would be enjoying right now if, rather than stick to the same old same old, these studios didn't milk out their franchises and instead changed things up and built new IPs instead.

By your logic, there is no such thing as milking, as long as the next game in a series isn't identical to the last.

I see you are oneof those people that either doesn't know how to or simply doesn't listen to people. No matter how much sense they may make you would probably just say whatever you have to say to supposedly win an argument. Even if what you are saying doesn't mke sense.

That aside, I am not going to go into this with you. You listed out 15 games. I only talked about the 5 of your 15 that I didnt agree with meaning that I agreed that the other 10 should be discontinued. How that means I think there is no such thing as milking games is beyond me. In addition I listed out the only games with exception to Uncharted that are actually "unmilkable".

Ah well, guess you will only see  what you want so just ignore all this and carry on.

Besides, ur on a forum for fucks sake. Learn to deal and stop attacking anyone that disagrees with you. While you are free to make your opinion, we are al free to have opinions that don't agree with yours. Its obtuse to champion making or having an opinion while at the same time attacking others for having one cause it doesnt agree with yours or challenges yours especially when they even have the decency to explain why they disagree with you. If someone outright insults you then thats a different matter. You just seem over sensitive for no apparent reason.



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Intrinsic said:

I see you are oneof those people that either doesn't know how to or simply doesn't listen to people. No matter how much sense they may make you would probably just say whatever you have to say to supposedly win an argument. Even if what you are saying doesn't mke sense.

That aside, I am not going to go into this with you. You listed out 15 games. I only talked about the 5 of your 15 that I didnt agree with meaning that I agreed that the other 10 should be discontinued. How that means I think there is no such thing as milking games is beyond me. In addition I listed out the only games with exception to Uncharted that are actually "unmilkable".

Ah well, guess you will only see  what you want so just ignore all this and carry on.

Tamron said:

Oh look, another person who thinks his personal opinion has a bearing or significance of merit over another persons personal opinion.

Would you like the dictionary definition of an opinion pasting, or are you okay to google it yourself?
Each persons post listing games in this thread is their personal opinion, would you agree?, in which case, you are not on a crusade to "make sense" or "give facts" you are on a crusade to impose YOUR opinion on me, because you subconciously believe YOUR opinion has more merit, when in actual fact, neither opinion is right or wrong, by their very nature they are simply things we, as individuals, believe.

Now you can "simply listen", or go on with your crusade regardless.



Tamron said:
Intrinsic said:

I see you are oneof those people that either doesn't know how to or simply doesn't listen to people. No matter how much sense they may make you would probably just say whatever you have to say to supposedly win an argument. Even if what you are saying doesn't mke sense.

That aside, I am not going to go into this with you. You listed out 15 games. I only talked about the 5 of your 15 that I didnt agree with meaning that I agreed that the other 10 should be discontinued. How that means I think there is no such thing as milking games is beyond me. In addition I listed out the only games with exception to Uncharted that are actually "unmilkable".

Ah well, guess you will only see  what you want so just ignore all this and carry on.

Tamron said:

Oh look, another person who thinks his personal opinion has a bearing or significance of merit over another persons personal opinion.

Would you like the dictionary definition of an opinion pasting, or are you okay to google it yourself?

Read my post again genuis, I expanded it just for you :)

Its also an opinion if someone disagrees with you you know?



Intrinsic said:

Besides, ur on a forum for fucks sake. Learn to deal and stop attacking anyone that disagrees with you. 

If explaining the choices i listed, and pointing out why your points aren't applicable is "attacking" then perhaps you're not cut out for forum life.

Intrinsic said:

While you are free to make your opinion, we are al free to have opinions that don't agree with yours.

As I am free to disagree with yours, which I did, which you then took as an attack, perhaps take your own advice?

Intrinsic said:

Its obtuse to champion making or having an opinion while at the same time attacking others for having one cause it doesnt agree with yours or challenges yours especially when they even have the decency to explain why they disagree with you.

Again, take your own advice?

 

Little run down on the discussion so far:
* I post list
You post list to tell me, despite the list being my opinion, that It's wrong, and list the reasons why.
I respond and explain my reasons, then question why you feel a game in the same series being different is enough on it's own to justify being made.
You explode and label me "on of those people" then tell me, laughable, that i'm on a forum, to learn to deal. (hence laughable given the start of that very post)
I point out that it's simply my opinion, and yours is simply your opinion, thus neither one is right nor wrong.
You persist with your aggressive "read my post again genius" attitude and then decide to finally see posts in this thread as an opinion, but rather unashamadly, only seeing your own posts as opinion, and not my posts.

You know, the one you quoted to say was wrong in the first place.

If I didn't know any better I'd say you're still holding a grudge over our last discussion in an earlier thread. But you know, I suspect that isn't a million miles away from the truth.



Tamron said:

 

Little run down on the discussion so far:
* I post list
You post list to tell me, despite the list being my opinion, that It's wrong, and list the reasons why.
I respond and explain my reasons, then question why you feel a game in the same series being different is enough on it's own to justify being made.
You explode and label me "on of those people" then tell me, laughable, that i'm on a forum, to learn to deal. (hence laughable given the start of that very post)
I point out that it's simply my opinion, and yours is simply your opinion, thus neither one is right nor wrong.
You persist with your aggressive "read my post again genius" attitude and then decide to finally see posts in this thread as an opinion, but rather unashamadly, only seeing your own posts as opinion, and not my posts.

You know, the one you quoted to say was wrong in the first place.

If I didn't know any better I'd say you're still holding a grudge over our last discussion in an earlier thread. But you know, I suspect that isn't a million miles away from the truth.

Dude, is that really how this happened? And who started calling out anyone simply cause they disagreed with you? And going around saying opinion this and opinion that as if we aren't allowed to disagree with you in the first place. Like do yuou know we wouldnt be having this conversation at all if Damntastic and I had agreed with you instead?

And what discussion are you talking about? I mustn't have taken note of your name or avatar.. but I will not be making that mistake again.



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Intrinsic said:

Dude, is that really how this happened? 

Really..

Tamron said:

By your logic, there is no such thing as milking, as long as the next game in a series isn't identical to the last.

Seems clear to me this is what set you off.

Intrinsic said:

I see you are oneof those people that either doesn't know how to or simply doesn't listen to people. No matter how much sense they may make you would probably just say whatever you have to say to supposedly win an argument. Even if what you are saying doesn't mke sense.

So what you're saying here is that your opinion makes sense, and my opinion doesn't make sense.

Intrinsic said:

That aside, I am not going to go into this with you. You listed out 15 games. I only talked about the 5 of your 15 that I didnt agree with meaning that I agreed that the other 10 should be discontinued. How that means I think there is no such thing as milking games is beyond me. In addition I listed out the only games with exception to Uncharted that are actually "unmilkable".

This is where it's obvious what part of my post set you off, only you're working off the assumption that it was an attack, when i simply questioned your reasoning for giving the games you did a free pass, "because it might be awesome" or "because its a different story", what would be better in your opinion, making a new RPG with a new, unique name and letting it find praise on it's own merrit, or shoving it under the final fantasy banner?, if the games as unique and different as you say then it has no real need to be labeled final fantasy.

Then with the rest of the games, you seemed to think that as long as the game differs from the last then theres no real need, at all, to end a series, hence my comment that triggered you off.

Intrinsic said:

Ah well, guess you will only see  what you want so just ignore all this and carry on.

And here you dismiss my opinion because it differs from your own, okay, fair enough, that's your opinion, post could have ended here and at least been half decent, but instead you follow it up with:

Intrinsic said:

Besides, ur on a forum for fucks sake. Learn to deal and stop attacking anyone that disagrees with you. While you are free to make your opinion, we are al free to have opinions that don't agree with yours. Its obtuse to champion making or having an opinion while at the same time attacking others for having one cause it doesnt agree with yours or challenges yours especially when they even have the decency to explain why they disagree with you. If someone outright insults you then thats a different matter. You just seem over sensitive for no apparent reason.

Do you really need me to point out how and why this addition was totally not needed and suggests that you're the one losing their temper?, you start off with "ur on a forum for fucks sake", follow it up with "learn to deal" and "stop attacking anyone that disagrees with you" (actually all i did was disagree with you on your points, the exact same as you did with me), and then you after the rest of your post, try to take the high road and pin on me practically every thing you yourself are guilty of.

Intrinsic said:

Its obtuse to champion making or having an opinion while at the same time attacking others for having one cause it doesnt agree with yours 

You say this, yet, on the topic of my opinion you say this.

Intrinsic said:

I see you are oneof those people that either doesn't know how to or simply doesn't listen to people. No matter how much sense they may make you would probably just say whatever you have to say to supposedly win an argument. Even if what you are saying doesn't mke sense.

Championing your opinion as making sense and mine as not making sense.

Intrinsic said:

we are al free to have opinions that don't agree with yours.

And I am free to have a opinion that doesn't agree with yours, too, which I do.

Intrinsic said:

 or challenges yours especially when they even have the decency to explain why they disagree with you. 

I had the decency to explain my game choices to you in return, the obvious difference being you see my challeneges to your opinion as an attack, and your challenges as nothing more than a challenge - but here's the thing, it's perfectly fine to challenege an opinion providing you don't turn around when your challenge is rebuffed, and shrug it off as "you don't make any sense, i do", because that goes from being a retort on a challenge to becoming an insult.

Intrinsic said:

If someone outright insults you then thats a different matter. You just seem over sensitive for no apparent reason.

Because telling me my opinion makes no sense, and that yours makes sense, or the following quote, isn't "an outright insult"?

Intrinsic said:

Besides, ur on a forum for fucks sake. Learn to deal

The real gem here is you suggesting i'm oversensitive, when this entire debate started because you took the initial quote as being an attack, so who would be oversensitive in that case?

And with that, for the sake of future peace, I'm done replying to you in this or any other thread, have a nice day.



Tamron said:

And with that, I'm done replying to you in this or any other thread, have a nice day.

You have this so twisted on so many different levels its not even funny. I'll say this much though.

I'm sorry if you think I was saying your opinion doesn't make sense. Thats not what i was implying. You are right on the money on what ticked me off, and my statement about you not listenning to people was not saying my opinion was right and yours was wrong, but that you arriving at the conclusion that about all that milking stuff was baseless especially if it was coming off me simply disagreeing with a third of the games you listed out. Nothing wrong with you challenging what I said, I had no problem with that which is exactly why my responses to you didnt touch whatever you said but rather the conslusions you were coming to and you going as far as accusing me and another poster of dismissing your opinion and pushing ours which was not the case. And me saying you only see what you want, again was not saying my opinion matters and yours doesn't, I was basically saying that how you could see someone disagree with a third of your list and deduce that hthe person belives there isn't such a thing as milking a game was purposefully selective to make your point. Cause for your point to apply, I should have disagreed with all 15 games you listed instead of 5.

Having said that, I still do not agree with what you said and feel the conclusions you have arrived at from those five points I made are either misunderstood or being misinterpreted but I feel this discussion has gone a little too far so I will leave things as they are.

And weather you want to admit it or not, that initial quote you made was an attack, cause you also singled out someone else for doing the same thing and just disagreeing with some of what you posted. If you accuse someone of doing something that they are not doing, that is an attack. especially when said accusation can paint the person in bad light. I think that is legally called slander. 



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the_dengle said:
Star Fox should have ended after 64. Hopefully Nintendo can change my mind about this.

I feel like the Mother series found an appropriate time to end.

I am hopeful that Ninty won't simply fuck up the Star Fox title fans have been waiting for so long!



                
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AZWification said:

The Resident Evil franchise should have ended with RE4, because the ONLY good RE game that came out after that one was Revelations!

Re4 is a very good game but a bad Resident evil!

It butchered everything good about the classics and thanks to it,we had RE5 and RE6.

the gameplay was better,though.