aikohualda said:
a $4.7 M money reserve? yes it is.... |
Not imo.
aikohualda said:
a $4.7 M money reserve? yes it is.... |
Not imo.
NobleTeam360 said:
Not imo. |
Yes it is, just compare with other companys.
Activision/Blizzard for example. Activision only has 5,6B as total current assets and only 4,2B as cash. Even less than Nintendo, despite Call of Duty, World of Warcraft and Skylanders success.
Cash alone means nothing, and stationary money = loss for the stock holder.

Skidonti said:
I'm going to parrot myself a lot in this thread... Investments. Cash in the bank gets you some return, but if there are better investments elsewhere it's wise to spend the money and gain some short term assets. |
Why are you assuming Nintendo had zero short term investments in 2012? It's unreasonable to believe that all of the money they've invested into it was apart of the $10 billion they had in reserve.
| vkaraujo said:
Activision/Blizzard for example. Activision only has 5,6B as total current assets and only 4,2B as cash. Even less than Nintendo, despite Call of Duty, World of Warcraft and Skylanders success.
Cash alone means nothing, and stationary money = loss for the stock holder. |
Did you miss the part where I said IMO?
outlawauron said:
Why are you assuming Nintendo had zero short term investments in 2012? It's unreasonable to believe that all of the money they've invested into it was apart of the $10 billion they had in reserve. |
What is being pointed is that they had a little more than 10B in current assets in 2012 and now they have 10B. If it is in cash, short term investments or stock, they still have around the same amount of cash, but in different forms. Since they didn't sold any long-term assets (buildings or IPs), than they are about the same.
Maybe they have more liabilities, but i can't say without the 2012/2013 balance sheet.

vkaraujo said:
What is being pointed is that they had a little more than 10B in current assets in 2012 and now they have 10B. If it is in cash, short term investments or stock, they still have around the same amount of cash, but in different forms. Since they didn't sold any long-term assets (buildings or IPs), than they are about the same. Maybe they have more liabilities, but i can't say without the 2012/2013 balance sheet. |
That's not what the article said at all. Instead of reading articles, I just pulled financial reports: 2012 and 2014.
It looks like Nintendo is clarifying their assets and separating things to be more clear with their newer reports. They've lost a good chunk of money in the recent years, but not a disasterious amount.
MDMAlliance said:
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That specific evaluation of the Xbox divsion was done Bloomberg and Wedbush and had nothing to do with the Xbox divsion assets.
It was in fact based on a simple 'revenue multiple' calculation using Nintendo's own numbers as a base. Below is the quote from Bloomberg:
| Ballmer’s retirement as chief executive officer may clear the way for a potential spinoff of the Xbox unit to unlock shareholder value. While a consumer success with $7 billion in annual sales, it’s one of Microsoft’s lower-margin divisions and doesn’t drive sales of the company’s core business services and software. Xbox may be worth at least $17 billion on its own, based onNintendo Co. (7974)’s revenue multiple, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. Its value should be even higher given that Nintendo has operating losses, Wedbush Inc. said. |
Below are some negatives about using multiples from wikipedia:
There are a number of criticisms levied against multiples, but in the main these can be summarised as:
| Baalzamon said: For those looking for the in between numbers, here you go (in Yen, with some rounding done for my calculations):
The company really isn't in a bad position. The main reason their cash is so much lower in US dollars is nothing other than the exchange rate. |
Excluding exchange rate (looking solely at Yen) that is still a 17% drop in effective assets minus liabilities since 2010 (effectively the company has shrunk 17%), which is a large drop for a company that until a few years ago had never made a loss. Most of that loss has been since 2011. Definitely not 'Nintendo is broke' territory, but it's concerning.
outlawauron said:
That's not what the article said at all. Instead of reading articles, I just pulled financial reports: 2012 and 2014. It looks like Nintendo is clarifying their assets and separating things to be more clear with their newer reports. They've lost a good chunk of money in the recent years, but a disasterious amount. |
I see, against 2011 indeed. Against 2012 they still lost something, but not that much.
Total assets: ¥1,368,401 (2012) against ¥1,306,410 (2014)
Current Assets: ¥1,140,786 (2012) against ¥1,024,136 (2014)
Liabilities: ¥177,376 (2012) against ¥187,971 (2014)
In Yen the fall doesn't look that big to be honest, maybe in U$ the exchange rate is affecting the perception
They are losing money, no point arguing over that.

foxtail said:
That specific evaluation of the Xbox divsion was done Bloomberg and Wedbush and had nothing to do with the Xbox divsion assets. It was in fact based on a simple 'revenue multiple' calculation using Nintendo's own numbers as a base. Below is the quote from Bloomberg:
Below are some negatives about using multiples from wikipedia: There are a number of criticisms levied against multiples, but in the main these can be summarised as:
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So basically you're confirming that the value provided up there isn't necessarily based on assets but an analysis on how much Xbox might be worth based off of Nintendo's "multiples"?