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Torillian said:
Ka-pi96 said:
It's free advertising and is no different from a freind coming round and seeing your games, or does he think that is stealing as well?


I don't know, this seems similar to the rules for movies.  Like you can have your friends over for a movie nght and watch a DVD you bought, but if you get a bunch of people together and make them pay to see it and make a profit it's no longer legal unless you have those rights to the movie.  Video Games should probably work similarly.  And don't kid yourself about whether or not his viewers pay, being shown advertisements is a different form of paying for content, but it's paying for it none the less.  

Depends on the size of the people. They also did this in an episode of Regular Show. Mordicai and Ribgy rented a movie, and made their own movie theater. To pay for repair costs to the park. The network obiously didn't have a problem with the script. If you stick to laws, to the letter. People are doing illgeal things by just having a TV in a public place. Like a resturant, or bar. That's public proformance. Cosplayers would be arrested, etc. Under your interpritation isn't this site doing just that. Making money by "using" other companies.



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The Fury said:
RenCutypoison said:

That's why youtubers are creating content under a network that pay licence fee for the use of all these "digital contents"

So the developers are getting money from the 'content creators' directly? Is that PeeWee bloke giving some of his money to the developers of the games he puts on his youtube videos which he make money from? I kind of think that based on this discussion, he's not.


his network should. if not it's illegal.



I think people here are underestimating just how large PewDiePie is, and how wide an audience his videos reach. I think he should earn far more than $4 million per year - he's as influential as any of the biggest TV personalities as far as gaming goes.



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archer9234 said:
Torillian said:
Ka-pi96 said:
It's free advertising and is no different from a freind coming round and seeing your games, or does he think that is stealing as well?


I don't know, this seems similar to the rules for movies.  Like you can have your friends over for a movie nght and watch a DVD you bought, but if you get a bunch of people together and make them pay to see it and make a profit it's no longer legal unless you have those rights to the movie.  Video Games should probably work similarly.  And don't kid yourself about whether or not his viewers pay, being shown advertisements is a different form of paying for content, but it's paying for it none the less.  

Depends on the size of the people. They also did this in an episode of Regular Show. Mordicai and Ribgy rented a movie, and made their own movie theater. To pay for repair costs to the park. The network obiously didn't have a problem with the script. If you stick to laws, to the letter. People are doing illgeal things by just having a TV in a public place. Like a resturant, or bar. That's public proformance. Cosplayers would be arrested, etc. Under your interpritation isn't this site doing just that. Making money by "using" other companies.

You are incorrect on most counts. First, as an example you use a fictional TV show. That is not reflective of real life.

Second, restaurants and bars that have TVs on public display are subject to fees payable to licensing agencies (such as MPAA, RIAA or any similar depending on a country).

Dressing up as a character is not illegal, but it would be subject to licensing if those characters got together, performed a show and charged entrance fees.



archer9234 said:
Torillian said:
Ka-pi96 said:
It's free advertising and is no different from a freind coming round and seeing your games, or does he think that is stealing as well?


I don't know, this seems similar to the rules for movies.  Like you can have your friends over for a movie nght and watch a DVD you bought, but if you get a bunch of people together and make them pay to see it and make a profit it's no longer legal unless you have those rights to the movie.  Video Games should probably work similarly.  And don't kid yourself about whether or not his viewers pay, being shown advertisements is a different form of paying for content, but it's paying for it none the less.  

Depends on the size of the people. They also did this in an episode of Regular Show. Mordicai and Ribgy rented a movie, and made their own movie theater. To pay for repair costs to the park. The network obiously didn't have a problem with the script. If you stick to laws, to the letter. People are doing illgeal things by just having a TV in a public place. Like a resturant, or bar. That's public proformance. Cosplayers would be arrested, etc. Under your interpritation isn't this site doing just that. Making money by "using" other companies.

While I enjoy Regular Show I can't say that it's always 100% accurate to reality.  I don't think a small operation would get caught or perhaps the law wouldn't be enforced in that instance that doesn't mean it's legal that simply means it's small enough that the content owners don't care to prosecute.  

Having a TV in a public place isn't too bad as long as you don't charge people simply to watch it, and it seems likely that there are avenues for restaurants and bars to have legit public licenses for their cable.  I've been told that restaurants and bars pay far more for their Cable than a standard person for their own home.  

Cosplayers seems like a stretch, that's something made inspired by the product but you are not just rebroadcasting the product as is and making money off of it.  



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Sorry i agree with him, people streaming and sharing videos for fun seems fine that increases the games awareness thats even a good thing for the game devs, but people making money from streaming other peoples creations should be looked into, there is clearly an issue there.



Torillian said:
archer9234 said:
Torillian said:
Ka-pi96 said:
It's free advertising and is no different from a freind coming round and seeing your games, or does he think that is stealing as well?


I don't know, this seems similar to the rules for movies.  Like you can have your friends over for a movie nght and watch a DVD you bought, but if you get a bunch of people together and make them pay to see it and make a profit it's no longer legal unless you have those rights to the movie.  Video Games should probably work similarly.  And don't kid yourself about whether or not his viewers pay, being shown advertisements is a different form of paying for content, but it's paying for it none the less.  

Depends on the size of the people. They also did this in an episode of Regular Show. Mordicai and Ribgy rented a movie, and made their own movie theater. To pay for repair costs to the park. The network obiously didn't have a problem with the script. If you stick to laws, to the letter. People are doing illgeal things by just having a TV in a public place. Like a resturant, or bar. That's public proformance. Cosplayers would be arrested, etc. Under your interpritation isn't this site doing just that. Making money by "using" other companies.

While I enjoy Regular Show I can't say that it's always 100% accurate to reality.  I don't think a small operation would get caught or perhaps the law wouldn't be enforced in that instance that doesn't mean it's legal that simply means it's small enough that the content owners don't care to prosecute.  

Having a TV in a public place isn't too bad as long as you don't charge people simply to watch it, and it seems likely that there are avenues for restaurants and bars to have legit public licenses for their cable.  I've been told that restaurants and bars pay far more for their Cable than a standard person for their own home.  

Cosplayers seems like a stretch, that's something made inspired by the product but you are not just rebroadcasting the product as is and making money off of it.  

Still that episode could of been vetoed because it basically can be extruded as an illigeal act. The network could of pulled it. But didn't. They saw it for what it was. Nothing of harm. But companies have become dicks. Read a CD it says "do not lend" in the law fine print. They've gone that far in their BS. This issue really needs to be put to court and made a final descion on it. Simple as that. Till then, People shouldn't complain. Because then nothing would be allowed at all with this type of argument that keeps popping up. We don't know what Pewdiepie's network does behind the scene in the first place.



Ka-pi96 said:

Yes. He has to buy the game in the first place so...

For personal use. This certainly isn't personal use, he's basically using copyrighted material without authorisation to make money.



Hmm, pie.

The Fury said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Yes. He has to buy the game in the first place so...

For personal use. This certainly isn't personal use, he's basically using copyrighted material without authorisation to make money.

Let's play can be interpirated as fair use. Which then would cover this. That's how unbiase reviews are made.



If watching others play a game gives you the same fulfillment than playing it yourself, there is something seriously wrong with the gameplay of that game ;)

That said, I just bought FEZ (cross-buy for Vita, Ps3 + PS4) although I already had bought the PC-version and love story-heavy games like Fahrenheit (Indigo Prophecy), Heavy Rain, Beyond: Two Souls and all Telltale Games games.