Wyrdness said: curl-6 said: Wyrdness said: No it wouldn't otherwise many other games with that graphical approach would have done better, the are games already out that have that visual approach you're heavily overestimating that visual approach's overall affect, the people you're referring to only care about the CODs and such and are oblivious to anything outside of such games. The only people it would have been enough for are already Zelda fans or already have an interest in it, Zelda has never really been a massive system seller since OOT and a lot of that was due to the jump to 3D, it's always been a complimentary AAA title for the library, MK8, Smash, NSMB, Wii Series etc... These are the system sellers while Zelda is one of those games like Last of Us which are much better games and compliment the system sellers. This is why Nintendo has been securing games like Bayonetta 2 and DT because these are the games that catch that demographics attention not Zelda. Twilight Princess was a major system seller, it's what brought in the early "hardcore" Wii owners who dismissed Wii Sports as "gimmicky." And I think you overestimate gamers if you think a huge amount of them aren't hung up on whether something is "cool", and don't see bright cartoon graphics as "cool". Look at the all the "Nintendo games are kiddy" BS for example. Nope Wiisports and the low price was the system seller, many people who Wiisports brought in bought TP eventually want to know what else backs this the game only sold 1.6m on GC, TP rode Wiisports success and was the only other game of note for months on the Wii in the first year. Also don't try putting words in my mouth I know gamers like what looks cool my point is it doesn't mean they'd buy it like you and many others think this is why Nintendo stopped trying to cater to their whims in developing their games.

Wii Sports swayed some casual families, but Zelda swayed the more hardcore fans.

I say this from experience. A lot of families that bought a Wii for Wii Sports had no clue what Zelda was. They bought some other Wii minigames like Wii Play, but that's it. TP was Nintendo's first major push into the hardcore fanbase, and it worked splendidly. 

Wyrdness said: curl-6 said: Wyrdness said: No it wouldn't otherwise many other games with that graphical approach would have done better, the are games already out that have that visual approach you're heavily overestimating that visual approach's overall affect, the people you're referring to only care about the CODs and such and are oblivious to anything outside of such games. The only people it would have been enough for are already Zelda fans or already have an interest in it, Zelda has never really been a massive system seller since OOT and a lot of that was due to the jump to 3D, it's always been a complimentary AAA title for the library, MK8, Smash, NSMB, Wii Series etc... These are the system sellers while Zelda is one of those games like Last of Us which are much better games and compliment the system sellers. This is why Nintendo has been securing games like Bayonetta 2 and DT because these are the games that catch that demographics attention not Zelda. Twilight Princess was a major system seller, it's what brought in the early "hardcore" Wii owners who dismissed Wii Sports as "gimmicky." And I think you overestimate gamers if you think a huge amount of them aren't hung up on whether something is "cool", and don't see bright cartoon graphics as "cool". Look at the all the "Nintendo games are kiddy" BS for example. Nope Wiisports and the low price was the system seller, many people who Wiisports brought in bought TP eventually want to know what else backs this the game only sold 1.6m on GC, TP rode Wiisports success and was the only other game of note for months on the Wii in the first year. Also don't try putting words in my mouth I know gamers like what looks cool my point is it doesn't mean they'd buy it like you and many others think this is why Nintendo stopped trying to cater to their whims in developing their games.

Wii TP was the better version compared to GC, few wanted the inferior version. And even in 2006 plenty of gamers belittled Wii Sports; TP on the other hand was the Zelda they'd been waiting for for years.

And appearing "cool" or not is one of the biggest factors in what those type of gamers buy.  And those kind of gamers are very, very common.

I think that fans who love the bright style would still buy the tech demo, but people who prefer the tech demo would touch this one, so I'm sure you're right.

But I literally don't care at all if it only sells 100 units, because this is better than anything else they could have done. This look is perfect and absolutely superior to anything the tech demo could have done. I don't care how well Nintendo or the Wii U does if doesn't alter the quality of my games. Them making a Zelda game they very clearly don't want to make just because it would "sell better" wouldn't fly with me, and I'm glad they ignored that kind of shallow bullshit.

And let's be clear about that; Aonuma does not want to make a realistic Zelda. It's not happening again. I seriously hope they remake Twilight Princess on the Wii U to look like the tech demo. It would shut them up.

If you're not going to buy this game simply because you don't like the art style, you don't deserve to play any Zelda game. Period.

Samus Aran said: Arius Dion said: Samus Aran said: Arius Dion said: Same shit different gen. Show a great tech demo then pull the okey doke and bust out a lame anime cel-shaded 'creative' artstyle. Smh, Why can't the Zelda team, with Aonuma at its helm, deliver what the majority of fans are yearning for? The proof is in the pudding, Twilight Princess was the best selling Zelda since OoT, SS was a sale flop, WWHD is a non factor for Wii U momentum. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Its like going to an ice cream shop because outside there is a banner that shows a vanilla ice cream cone, you walk in and the owner tells you, well we wanted to try something different, here's butter pecan sorbet. Wtf? Tbh, though, after SS why would people be excited about Zelda again? The game was terrible. Lol, what a bunch of whining for a beautiful artstyle. Zelda is about the gameplay.  Skyward Sword sold poorly because it came out on a dying console (game took way too much development time) and used the Wiimotion+ peripheral. The game looks nothing like WWHD and Skyward Sword anyway.  Didn't know criticism of any kind would be considered whining. Excuses though, still sound like excuses. If SS was a better game, it wouldn't have sold as poorly as it did. Zelda was about more than just gameplay in its prime. It's largely a niche game now.  It looks like SS in HD to me, and that's not what the marjority of Zelda fans let alone mainstream gamers are asking for in their Zelda. You're criticisms are whining. You're talking to someone who didn't like Skyward Sword by the way.  Please look at vids of Skyward Sword run in 1080p on a Dolphin Emulator and compare it to Skyward Sword. Then come back and tell me it looks alike.  My favorite Zelda is Twilight Princess, but I'm glad I appreciate more than just dark gritty Zelda's.

Maybe read a thesaurus.

VanceIX said: Wyrdness said: curl-6 said: Wyrdness said: No it wouldn't otherwise many other games with that graphical approach would have done better, the are games already out that have that visual approach you're heavily overestimating that visual approach's overall affect, the people you're referring to only care about the CODs and such and are oblivious to anything outside of such games. The only people it would have been enough for are already Zelda fans or already have an interest in it, Zelda has never really been a massive system seller since OOT and a lot of that was due to the jump to 3D, it's always been a complimentary AAA title for the library, MK8, Smash, NSMB, Wii Series etc... These are the system sellers while Zelda is one of those games like Last of Us which are much better games and compliment the system sellers. This is why Nintendo has been securing games like Bayonetta 2 and DT because these are the games that catch that demographics attention not Zelda. Twilight Princess was a major system seller, it's what brought in the early "hardcore" Wii owners who dismissed Wii Sports as "gimmicky." And I think you overestimate gamers if you think a huge amount of them aren't hung up on whether something is "cool", and don't see bright cartoon graphics as "cool". Look at the all the "Nintendo games are kiddy" BS for example. Nope Wiisports and the low price was the system seller, many people who Wiisports brought in bought TP eventually want to know what else backs this the game only sold 1.6m on GC, TP rode Wiisports success and was the only other game of note for months on the Wii in the first year. Also don't try putting words in my mouth I know gamers like what looks cool my point is it doesn't mean they'd buy it like you and many others think this is why Nintendo stopped trying to cater to their whims in developing their games. Wii Sports swayed some casual families, but Zelda swayed the more hardcore fans. I say this from experience. A lot of families that bought a Wii for Wii Sports had no clue what Zelda was. They bought some other Wii minigames like Wii Play, but that's it. TP was Nintendo's first major push into the hardcore fanbase, and it worked splendidly.

Wiisports swayed more then some casual families as sales goes it sway the main bulk of the userbase, TPs sales in the first years were in line with pretty much any other Zelda game, it sold over a period of years as the userbase got bigger highlighting what I mean by it being a complimentary AAA title. Your personal experience is not representative of the majority because I saw people buying the Wii for Wiisports then months later pick up TP for something else to play.

curl-6 said: Wyrdness said: curl-6 said: Wyrdness said: No it wouldn't otherwise many other games with that graphical approach would have done better, the are games already out that have that visual approach you're heavily overestimating that visual approach's overall affect, the people you're referring to only care about the CODs and such and are oblivious to anything outside of such games. The only people it would have been enough for are already Zelda fans or already have an interest in it, Zelda has never really been a massive system seller since OOT and a lot of that was due to the jump to 3D, it's always been a complimentary AAA title for the library, MK8, Smash, NSMB, Wii Series etc... These are the system sellers while Zelda is one of those games like Last of Us which are much better games and compliment the system sellers. This is why Nintendo has been securing games like Bayonetta 2 and DT because these are the games that catch that demographics attention not Zelda. Twilight Princess was a major system seller, it's what brought in the early "hardcore" Wii owners who dismissed Wii Sports as "gimmicky." And I think you overestimate gamers if you think a huge amount of them aren't hung up on whether something is "cool", and don't see bright cartoon graphics as "cool". Look at the all the "Nintendo games are kiddy" BS for example. Nope Wiisports and the low price was the system seller, many people who Wiisports brought in bought TP eventually want to know what else backs this the game only sold 1.6m on GC, TP rode Wiisports success and was the only other game of note for months on the Wii in the first year. Also don't try putting words in my mouth I know gamers like what looks cool my point is it doesn't mean they'd buy it like you and many others think this is why Nintendo stopped trying to cater to their whims in developing their games. Wii TP was the better version compared to GC, few wanted the inferior version. And even in 2006 plenty of gamers belittled Wii Sports; TP on the other hand was the Zelda they'd been waiting for for years. And appearing "cool" or not is one of the biggest factors in what those type of gamers buy.  And those kind of gamers are very, very common.

What version you prefer doesn't make it better as ultimately the only differences are the controls, I prefer the Wii controls but the are many who prefer the GC controls and didn't like the Wii controls. Being cool doesn't guarantee sales otherwise Duke Nukem would of crushed in sales, Aonuma realized this and has smartly decided to not sacrifice vision to be cool as it takes more then being cool to appeal to that demographic.

Arius Dion said: Same shit different gen. Show a great tech demo then pull the okey doke and bust out a lame anime cel-shaded 'creative' artstyle. Smh, Why can't the Zelda team, with Aonuma at its helm, deliver what the majority of fans are yearning for? Tbh, though, after SS why would people be excited about Zelda again? The game was terrible.

Did you like A Link Between World´s artdirection ?

Skyward Sword was a fantastic game with admittedly some serious flaws. Calling the game terrible is straight up dumb Internet hyperbole.

Wyrdness said: What version you prefer doesn't make it better as ultimately the only differences are the controls, I prefer the Wii controls but the are many who prefer the GC controls and didn't like the Wii controls. Being cool doesn't guarantee sales otherwise Duke Nukem would of crushed in sales, Aonuma realized this and has smartly decided to not sacrifice vision to be cool as it takes more then being cool to appeal to that demographic.

It's not my preference; the Wii version was marketed as the superior version.

And I never said coolness guaranteed sales, but it helps. A dark art style would have attracted a segment of non-fans that the current art style wil not.

Arius Dion said: Samus Aran said: Arius Dion said: Samus Aran said: Arius Dion said: Same shit different gen. Show a great tech demo then pull the okey doke and bust out a lame anime cel-shaded 'creative' artstyle. Smh, Why can't the Zelda team, with Aonuma at its helm, deliver what the majority of fans are yearning for? The proof is in the pudding, Twilight Princess was the best selling Zelda since OoT, SS was a sale flop, WWHD is a non factor for Wii U momentum. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Its like going to an ice cream shop because outside there is a banner that shows a vanilla ice cream cone, you walk in and the owner tells you, well we wanted to try something different, here's butter pecan sorbet. Wtf? Tbh, though, after SS why would people be excited about Zelda again? The game was terrible. Lol, what a bunch of whining for a beautiful artstyle. Zelda is about the gameplay.  Skyward Sword sold poorly because it came out on a dying console (game took way too much development time) and used the Wiimotion+ peripheral. The game looks nothing like WWHD and Skyward Sword anyway.  Didn't know criticism of any kind would be considered whining. Excuses though, still sound like excuses. If SS was a better game, it wouldn't have sold as poorly as it did. Zelda was about more than just gameplay in its prime. It's largely a niche game now.  It looks like SS in HD to me, and that's not what the marjority of Zelda fans let alone mainstream gamers are asking for in their Zelda. You're criticisms are whining. You're talking to someone who didn't like Skyward Sword by the way.  Please look at vids of Skyward Sword run in 1080p on a Dolphin Emulator and compare it to Skyward Sword. Then come back and tell me it looks alike.  My favorite Zelda is Twilight Princess, but I'm glad I appreciate more than just dark gritty Zelda's.  Maybe read a thesaurus.

Couldn't come up with anything huh? Go play Ryse: son of Rome, you might like that more than this Zelda. ;) Gameplay > Graphics.

Arius Dion said: Samus Aran said: Lol, what a bunch of whining for a beautiful artstyle. Zelda is about the gameplay.  Skyward Sword sold poorly because it came out on a dying console (game took way too much development time) and used the Wiimotion+ peripheral. The game looks nothing like WWHD and Skyward Sword anyway.  Didn't know criticism of any kind would be considered whining. Excuses though, still sound like excuses. If SS was a better game, it wouldn't have sold as poorly as it did. Zelda was about more than just gameplay in its prime. It's largely a niche game now.  It looks like SS in HD to me, and that's not what the marjority of Zelda fans let alone mainstream gamers are asking for in their Zelda.

Don´t be so vague andexplain to me : What was Zelda about aside from gameplay "in it´s prime" ?

What was the "prime " era ?