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DerNebel said:

So basically you're deciding what counts and what doesn't, so I guess this discussion is now over.

Especially since you still utterly fail to explain how Sonys first party is "half assing PS4 support" and instead resort to petty insults.

So you're not reading my posts or something?  I've already said their first parties are working on games, they either not enough of them or they're spread too thin.  Microsoft and Nintendo seem to have no problem releasing a quality game in a timely fashion.  No reason why Sony can't.

In order to get a reasonable number of retail exclusives, Microsoft and Nintendo paid third parties to develop other games.  Sony decided against it so from launch until 2015 there's a whole six retail exclusives on the console.  You know how many games were either Nintendo developed or Nintendo purchased exclusives from launch until 2014?  19.  Just over three times as many games in a little over a year than Sony.  The exact same time frame.  Not only did Nintendo either develop or fund 19 Wii U games in that time, they also supported the 3DS, unlike Sony's pathetic Vita support.     

Nintendo is struggling to get people interested in the console and no one wants it.  Sony clearly doesn't give a shit about their customers because the PS4 is selling good.  Customers don't need new games.  Let them buy a new PS4 to play nothing but cross gen bullshit and Infamous.  If that wasn't enough, let those same customers who own a Vita buy the exact same games but with unplayable framerates on the Vita.  Who the fuck needs exclusives?  We're Sony.  They're paying for the brand, not for games.  We'll eventually get games out, once we kill any sort of lead we would have had or finish killing off our portable. 



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Problem I find is they talk about getting a bigger install base rather than profits at the moment, but if they didn't shut their eyes out to the Vita, maybe they would make profit on that and wouldn't have to come out and say stuff like that. Still going to make losses this year even if they might end up getting profits soon due to a bigger install base, but I still think they wouldn't have to think about making profits later in the year if they supported both equally.



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kupomogli said:
DerNebel said:

So basically you're deciding what counts and what doesn't, so I guess this discussion is now over.

Especially since you still utterly fail to explain how Sonys first party is "half assing PS4 support" and instead resort to petty insults.

So you're not reading my posts or something?  I've already said their first parties are working on games, they either not enough of them or they're spread too thin.  Microsoft and Nintendo seem to have no problem releasing a quality game in a timely fashion.  No reason why Sony can't.

In order to get a reasonable number of retail exclusives, Microsoft and Nintendo paid third parties to develop other games.  Sony decided against it so from launch until 2015 there's a whole six retail exclusives on the console.  You know how many games were either Nintendo developed or Nintendo purchased exclusives from launch until 2014?  19.  Just over three times as many games in a little over a year than Sony.  The exact same time frame.  Not only did Nintendo either develop or fund 19 Wii U games in that time, they also supported the 3DS, unlike Sony's pathetic Vita support.     

Nintendo is struggling to get people interested in the console and no one wants it.  Sony clearly doesn't give a shit about their customers because the PS4 is selling good.  Customers don't need new games.  Let them buy a new PS4 to play nothing but cross gen bullshit and Infamous.  If that wasn't enough, let those same customers who own a Vita buy the exact same games but with unplayable framerates on the Vita.  Who the fuck needs exclusives?  We're Sony.  They're paying for the brand, not for games.  We'll eventually get games out, once we kill any sort of lead we would have had or finish killing off our portable. 

LOL

This is like talking to a brick wall.

I'm out, believe whatever you want.



kupomogli said:

 1. Microsoft and Nintendo seem to have no problem releasing a quality game in a timely fashion.  No reason why Sony can't.

2. In order to get a reasonable number of retail exclusives, Microsoft and Nintendo paid third parties to develop other games.  Sony decided against it so from launch until 2015 there's a whole six retail exclusives on the console.  You know how many games were either Nintendo developed or Nintendo purchased exclusives from launch until 2014?  19.  Just over three times as many games in a little over a year than Sony.  The exact same time frame.  Not only did Nintendo either develop or fund 19 Wii U games in that time, they also supported the 3DS, unlike Sony's pathetic Vita support.     

3. Nintendo is struggling to get people interested in the console and no one wants it.  Sony clearly doesn't give a shit about their customers because the PS4 is selling good.  

I have read most of your posts in this thread and I dare say I have seldom seen someone say as much slanted info as you have so far done to the point where its just flat out slander. I am going to avoid entering a conversation with you proper cause well, having read your posts its kinda obvious how far gone you are.

I was actually fixing to reply your point sand tell you how wrong you are but whats the point in that. You can't make sense with material like that. So, I'll just let the sales and the games speak for themselves. If PS4's success pisses you off now? I sure as hell wouldn't wanna be you in another 2 years :)



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Kallumsmarties said:

Problem I find is they talk about getting a bigger install base rather than profits at the moment, but if they didn't shut their eyes out to the Vita, maybe they would make profit on that and wouldn't have to come out and say stuff like that. Still going to make losses this year even if they might end up getting profits soon due to a bigger install base, but I still think they wouldn't have to think about making profits later in the year if they supported both equally.

Vita? Why do people even bring that shit up? I feel they should not have even bothered with the Vita. Didn't they see the writing on the wall?

And there reason for wanting to pursue PS4 sales, as they specifically mentioned is because the PS4 just has way more revenue streams that are exclusive to a ome console. Not talking just game sales, but subscription services too. All they what hey have said means is that they will be dropping the PS4 price as quickly as they can instead of sitting on the gains made and increasing profits on the actual hardware.

Pretty good strategy if you ask me. Cheaper consoles sell more, more consoles sold = more games sold and more people signing up for PS+. All that = more money to be made.



kupomogli said:

In order to get a reasonable number of retail exclusives, Microsoft and Nintendo paid third parties to develop other games.  Sony decided against it so from launch until 2015 there's a whole six retail exclusives on the console.  You know how many games were either Nintendo developed or Nintendo purchased exclusives from launch until 2014?  19.  Just over three times as many games in a little over a year than Sony.  The exact same time frame.  Not only did Nintendo either develop or fund 19 Wii U games in that time, they also supported the 3DS, unlike Sony's pathetic Vita support.     

Nintendo is struggling to get people interested in the console and no one wants it.  Sony clearly doesn't give a shit about their customers because the PS4 is selling good.  Customers don't need new games.  Let them buy a new PS4 to play nothing but cross gen bullshit and Infamous.  If that wasn't enough, let those same customers who own a Vita buy the exact same games but with unplayable framerates on the Vita.  Who the fuck needs exclusives?  We're Sony.  They're paying for the brand, not for games.  We'll eventually get games out, once we kill any sort of lead we would have had or finish killing off our portable. 

The problem with producing a massive amount of console exclusives in a short time is that it will interfere with game releases from other major AAA producers and developers.
They too invest a lot of time and money in their projects and want to be sure they don't have to battle with high qualtity platform exclusives (besides the usual competition ) for the consumers money when they finaly release their games.

Why would you bother about exclusives when the major 3rd party developers are releasing great IPs soon enough ?
Look at Destiny; although it's a multiplatfrom, the way Sony supports it with their white bundle and exlusive content will be very appreceated by Activision, Bungie and the gamers.

In the meantime there will be more than enough great multiplatform games from 2nd and 3rd party developers and indies for gamers to enjoy.
The big exclusives will evenutally come to the PS4, but for Sony it's also very important that other producers will gain the biggest rewards from Sonys platforms.

That's part of Sony's marketing and branding strategics; to get the biggest producers and best developers on board of the PS flagship so gamers get the best and most varied games available when they choose for the PS platforms.



Intrinsic said:

I was actually fixing to reply your point sand tell you how wrong you are but whats the point in that. You can't make sense with material like that. So, I'll just let the sales and the games speak for themselves. If PS4's success pisses you off now? I sure as hell wouldn't wanna be you in another 2 years :)

Other than four games, I can get every retail game on the PS4 on the PS3.  The games are speaking for themselves.  They're saying "The PS4 has no games." 



kupomogli said:
Intrinsic said:

I was actually fixing to reply your point sand tell you how wrong you are but whats the point in that. You can't make sense with material like that. So, I'll just let the sales and the games speak for themselves. If PS4's success pisses you off now? I sure as hell wouldn't wanna be you in another 2 years :)

Other than four games, I can get every retail game on the PS4 on the PS3.  The games are speaking for themselves.  They're saying "The PS4 has no games." 

Obviously reading comprehension is something you have a problem with. I bolded a certain part of my post that you quoted. To further help you, I said "in two years".

There is no point arguing with you rigt now if you feel that the PS4 has no games and/or that its not selling well. In two years though, we will see. Hows that? If you are right then the PS4 sales will crash and two years from now it would be pulling wiiU numbers. Oh wait.......



PigPen said:
Price cut is inevitable. Japan needs the motivation.

Let XB1 have Japan.



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